Is This Tool Being Made?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2018: Is This Tool Being Made?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 09:10 am:

Not to hijack the thread on wheel bearings, but just asking, is this tool being made again?

If not, is there a modern equivalent?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 09:33 am:

It wouldn't be hard to make your own with some big all thread. That's what I do for bushings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry & Sharon Miller, Westminster, CO on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 09:49 am:

Bill,

There is one thing, NEVER to do: Do NOT use the bearing INSIDE the cup/race to install the cup/race. There is a strong possibility of deforming/damaging the cup/race and shortening the life of the new bearing assembly.

When using a tool, like above, to install the cup/race, use a mandrel machined to match the inside angle of the cup/race, to evenly distribute the force of installation. This way, the cup/race will not be deformed thus reducing the life span of the new bearing assembly.

Good Luck,
Terry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 10:40 am:

Thank you both, Steve and Terry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 11:45 am:

Terry. Good idea. It would be very difficult and expensive to locate such a mandrel, but you could make the perfect sized mandrel you speak of by taking the new bearing cup and lining with wax paper, to keep it from sticking, then fill it with Aluminum Devcon, 2 part, epoxy putty, part #10610 from McMaster-Carr. Mixture: 4:1 by volume.

When it fully cures, Aluminum Devcon is almost as hard as steel (hard enough to thread and machine) and would have more than enough strength to withstand the pressure involved.

When I was working at the Railcar Repair Company, we had massive 6 tall, 200 ton Duff-Norton, pneumatic Railcar jacks, used to jack railcars. These jacks cost a fortune to replace and the parts also cost a fortune. We had 6 in the shop and, needless to say, they saw some rough service, if not abuse, at the hands of the workers who had a hard time remembering to fill the inline oil reservoirs, which resulted in the scoring of the smooth bore cylinders which led to a loss of pressure and power. Instead of replacing the cylinders, our machinist smoothed the scores in the cylinder with Aluminum Devcon. This became routine and made the jacks as good as new and over time, probably saved us $500,000.00 or more. We also used it to repair worn, scratched and gouged shafts. Amazing stuff. I have used it for 50 years and it has never disappointed or let me down. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 11:50 am:

They were available through Ford - I have one and know of one other - great tool that does exactly what it was designed to do. I also have a KR Wilson Model A tool that does the same but machined it down to do T cups.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 12:23 pm:

Steve, since you actually own one of these tools, is the tool pressing on the angled bearing surface or is it loosely fitting in the angled bearing surface to center the tool, but pushing on the face of the bearing cup?

It would seem to me that pressing on the taper would be a recipe for disaster were something to be tight enough to cause the o.d. to start to expand.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 12:32 pm:

It would be simple to make the mandrels. Use an old outer cup and an old inner cup. Sand the sides of each enough for it to slide into the hole without sticking. Weld on a piece of steel and drill a hole for the all thread. Use large all thread and nuts, like 7/8" or 1".

It you have access to a lathe and a metal saw you can make the mandrels out of a junk rear wheel hub.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 12:47 pm:

It pushes on the narrow face of the cup being slightly machined undersize on the O.D. as to not expand the hub area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ronald Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 12:52 pm:

Perhaps these close up photos will help explain?
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 12:59 pm:

Note that the ford tool applies force only to the outside edge of the cup. The tapers are just to keep the tool centered. Good design.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 01:15 pm:

Has anyone looked into a really good machine shop duplicating the parts to make up the complete tool?

I'd very much like to have one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 01:51 pm:

Jack Putnam, Dan Hatch... This would be a good project and fit right in with your other items...

Put me in line for the first pair!

Thanks, Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Hughes, Raymond, NE on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 03:47 pm:

I would be interested as well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erick Keenan - Vineland NJ 08360 on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 04:19 pm:

A bearing cup driver set maybe converted into a close equivalent to the Ford tool? I found some sets for around $30.00.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 06:22 pm:

Erick

Thinking the same, if these collars match the inner and outer cup, just add an all thread center and nuts.





But, as often as I do a front hub, like once a year or so...
the modified old races used as driver with a mallet blow, works for me :-)

Plus, its fun to reuse old T parts for tools!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 08:18 pm:

As a former full time Model T restoration shop, I chose to utilize the best tool for the job at hand although there are times that tool investment for the "casual" restorer is hard to warrant.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erick Keenan - Vineland NJ 08360 on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 09:02 pm:

Hi Dan, That is what I had in mind. But I would snap up one of the Ford tools if I could find one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Rodell, Sr.- Wisconsin on Sunday, August 05, 2018 - 10:42 pm:

I've only found two of the Ford 3Z2316 bearing cup tools in the last fifty years. They are not too common, but they are out there.
I kept the tool with the tag, and traded the other one to a Forum member last year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Monday, August 06, 2018 - 11:43 am:

Great tool! As mentioned above, how often are you going to need one? Great find. It looks like in the old photo above, they were using a common Stillson wrench to crank it in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ronald Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Monday, August 06, 2018 - 11:47 am:

I modified this wrench for Steve Tomasso and my the 3Z-2316
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gary hammond-Forest, Va on Monday, August 06, 2018 - 04:14 pm:

Ronald Gearwrench will only give you 1/2 the warranty on that wrench....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Monday, August 06, 2018 - 08:05 pm:

Here's a few photos of new Timken cups being installed in Kevin P.'s new Buffalo hubs - took all of 30 seconds to do both !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C west central, MN on Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 11:18 pm:

Pray tell, what did you do with open ends of those 60-70 dollar wrenches?
Very interesting thread. :-)


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