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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2018: WAY OT ..But what sad times we live in....You won't believe.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Humphrey on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:22 am:

Yesterday, while at work, this nice young man (18 or 19) ask me if I knew what time it was.

I reached into my pocket and pulled out my watch and showed it to him. His response was,"What time does it mean, I can't read that kind of clock."

It seems that anything analog and not digital is of no use to the younger generation. These are sad times for us for sure, because this is our future!!
O.K. getting off my soap box now. I was just wondering if anyone else has ran into similar issues?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:34 am:

Actually it's not the worst thing that can happen. Many young ones can't use a dial phone either. Their not dumb just "modern". Also it's not just here it's world wide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry & Sharon Miller, Westminster, CO on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:41 am:

A friend of mine, was walking her dog in a park. A young lady, 20ish, approached and asked about the dog. As we do a lot of rescue, we are happy to educate people who are interested. After a short dialog, the young lady asked my friend if she could write down the name of the dog breed so the young lady could do more research on line.

Now, my friend has some of the most beautiful, clear handwriting I have ever seen. She wrote the breed name down and handed it to the young lady. The lady looked at it and handed it back saying: "I can't read this. Will you please print it so I can read it?"

They do not teach cursive handwriting in school any more.

How do the younger generation SIGN legal documents without being able to write their names?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Kiefer - Adams, MN on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:48 am:

Last winter we had a smart high school senior girl visiting at our house. We have a phone booth with a rotary pay phone from the 60's in it that works. She questioned what is was. I showed her how to use it, she tried about 4 or 5 times and could not do it with out screwing up each time so she walked away with out getting the call thru to her dad.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:14 am:

There are young folks out there that cannot tie a pair of shoes with shoe strings. Many grew up with Velcro fasteners.
Us older folks should reflect on the fact that younger folks probably get a good chuckle at how inept many of us are with the new technology that has come along that they, the young folks, mastered at the age of 2 years old!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:14 am:

I remember commenting about 15-20 years ago that the day would come when people wouldn't be able to read an analog clock. I didn't think it would be so soon, though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George John Drobnock on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:15 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:17 am:

Wife works at a college(!) and when giving students appointments, she has to tell them in terms like "Ten Forty five" or "Nine fifteen" because they cant comprehend "Quarter to eleven" or "Quarter after nine." because they can't read an analog clock face.

I built a grandfather clock for my daughter that she could read-problem solved!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:26 am:

Even worse when people belive they could vote by texting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When running the bulldozers and excavators i had a digtial watch and in bright sunlight could not always read it.I started with a pocket watch and then a railroad watch.At 1.50 per min i had to keep good records.Bud


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire (La Florida!) on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:41 am:

When I gave my daughter her first watch it was a re-furbished timex ladies watch. She was furious, She wanted a digital watch like all of the other kids! I told her when she learned to tell time with that watch I would take her down next Christmas and buy her whatever watch she wanted, she agreed. So come Christmas I took her to the mall and asked her to pick out a watch, she said no thanks I'll keep this one it is so much fun when no one else can read it. She is still wearing it 29 years later.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:45 am:

We have no cell phone coverage in the mountains and I watched with amusement as the young man who was lost asked to make a phone at our home because his cell phone would not work. I handed him our rotary dial phone and after repeatedly stabbing the numbers with his finger he handed the phone back to me and said it must be broken.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:02 am:

Inability to read a clock is nothing new. I ran into that twenty-five years ago when I had hired help. I took one of the boys to see Gettysburg, which had just been released. After the movie he was talking about "the guy with the white beard". :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Kowalczyk - Nampa Idaho on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:36 am:

I was at the store the other day, the power went out at the cash register while ringing up my bill for a total of $9.87. I handed the cashier a $10 bill, they had no idea how much they owed me, so I said $0.13. They didn't know and had to have the young manager help them using his cell phone to do the math.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:44 am:

Kalamity is tossing and turning in the grave...
There's so many things that the younger generation is lacking. Yeah, they can blog, post pictures with ease and score big on a video game. If the grid goes down for more than 48 hours...about half may just perish !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:48 am:

Joe, simple math is not done without a calculator, even in school.
You might find one in a hundred that can properly count change back, also...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire (La Florida!) on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:58 am:

Your right Dave, now they get out whatever the cash register says they owe you hand it you in a wad and say your change is $3.48. If I had done that to a customer in 1968 I would have been FIRED! The boss taught all of us if the purchase was $6.53 and the customer handed you a ten dollar bill you start from the smallest denomination and worked your way up i.e. your purchase was $6.53 pennies first 6.54,6.55 dimes 6.65, 6.75 quarters 7.00 then dollars 8.00, 9.00, 10.00 thank you very much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:07 am:

Back when I was a kid, things were different:

The post-World War Two world brooked no nonsense. Back then, Americans were tough as heat-treated, case-hardened steel. Women had just finished building The Arsenal of Democracy—100,000 combat aircraft, another 100,000 trucks, tanks and jeeps, thousands of ships, bullets, bombs and guns. That's right; women did it. The men had just gotten back from saving the world from monsters like Hitler and Tojo. They'd been sent overseas to the worst possible places on Earth and for four years, watched their buddies being maimed and killed on a daily basis, were deeply affected by the incomparable experience, and with these emotional scars on their souls, now began the process of calming down, settling down, getting jobs and careers, getting married, starting families and trying to feel normal again. Problem with that was, they had never before experienced normal.

Just prior to the ordeal of World War Two, American men and women had scraped through and survived The Great Depression-and most of them were only about seven years old when the American economy thus collapsed. In other words, normalcy didn't occur until they were about twenty-five years old and ready to get married. The entirety of their lives, up to that point, was a matter of unrelenting hardship. They'd lived though it and saved the world from the powers of evil, but for the experience, were very damned hardened, set in their ways and unshakable in their belief that their way—the American way—was the only right way. In a word, they were disciplined. They had the mentality of soldiers—highly experienced soldiers-and for the very first time in their lives, found themselves stepping into the normal. This was the post-war world.

Imagine a modern America wherein two-thirds of families didn't own an automobile; where there was no interstate highway system, no Long Island Expressway or parkways. Women almost never drove cars and so, groceries made their way into the home by first coming down the street on pushcarts; the men pushing these tiny rolling businesses would either ring bells or shout about their wares, and housewives would pour out onto the street to buy fish or fruit or soap or whatever from them. Milk and bread were driven, by truck, to each residence by a "Milkman." And every adult male smoked cigarettes (an addictive habit formed and firmly established during the war, when a well-meaning Red Cross made a worldwide practice of donating two cartons of cigarettes per week to every American serviceman). That was the world into which I was born. So when I tell you I'm old, it means I'm from a society that might as well be another planet.

The survivors of the war, the soldiers and bomber-builders, were now married and for the first time, starting out in life. They raised their kids in accordance with their tightly-focused experience. We children were taught to be appreciative, polite, respectful of all elders, well behaved, unquestioningly obedient, and above all, disciplined. Hard times had made for people of faith and most families in my neck of the woods went to church on Sunday; the national statistic was something like 70% of the population-very different than the 4 to 6% of today.

As I look around me at the up-and-coming generation, I see young people (and by that, I mean everyone from toddlers to grad students) texting as they sit around the dinner table, texting while driving their cars (at the risk of their own lives and those of others), collecting "apps" like a magnet collects iron filings, as though they actually WANT their government to be able to track their whereabouts and every move they make (Don't get me started), and standing on overnight, around-the-block lines, clamoring for the latest thumb-operated, brain-numbing appliance from Apple, Sony, Samsung, or whomever. This is a generation absolutely enslaved to digital technology. And yes, we Baby-Boomers had gadgets too, but the technology of our pocket transistor-radios, ballpoint pens, microwave ovens, color televisions and wireless remotes didn't become our reason for living!

Once upon a time, your average Joe and Joanne were reasonably capable (thanks to The Great Depression), reasonably disciplined (thanks to WWII), reasonably educated (and could write something besides their signature in script) and reasonably competitive, thanks to having played sports. Their kids, the Baby-Boomer Generation, did okay, too. Unfortunately, the Millennial Generation isn't nearly as capable, disciplined nor competitive as either previous generations. In fact, many kids of today have never swung a baseball bat or tossed a frisbee—and it's not their fault that the small handful who did play sports were awarded trophies for simply showing up. Yes, they lack discipline, but that's the fault of those who were in charge of teaching them discipline.

On the subject of education: I recently interviewed a small group of college kids with 4.0 grade point averages. I asked, "Against whom did the United States fight during World War Two?"
They gave me a bovine stare of total noncomprehension, so I offered, a hint, "Which nation bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941-a date which will live in infamy?"
"The British?"
"No. Try again."
"The French?"
"Nope."
"The South?"
Given the direction of west, they couldn't figure out which direction was north on the first attempt. None had ever heard of The Spirit of St. Louis and none knew what a pronoun was, let alone hyperbole, metaphor or simile. Now, these kids weren't dumb; they were just poorly educated. Oh, I'm sure they'd been taught all about political correctness and social justice, but not basic penmanship or geography. They hadn't been required to memorize multiplication tables and their grammar was non-existent, never having been taught how to diagram a sentence.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James M. Riedy, Sandusky, Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:12 am:

A friend told of their grand daughter practicing her signature when asked why, she said it was because she got all these checks that she had to sign for graduation. Sad very Sad. Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Kowalczyk - Nampa Idaho on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:14 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ned Protexter on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:33 am:

Well, all of these old people must have done a terrible job of raising their kids and not teaching simple math and wasting how many hours teaching kids to write in an outdated fashion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:37 am:

I collect old crank phonographs. Edison cylinder and diamond disc, Victor III outside wooden spear tip horn, Victorola inside horn, etc. one day, my son came home with several of his friends from school and one of them looked at the Victor III and asked what that thing is. I proceeded to wind the Victor III up and played a record for them. In this age of amazing video games, CD’s and every advanced electronic device available, the boys were all enthralled and struck speechless with this 125 year old technology. Having never seen anything like it, they had all kind of questions as to how the music was created, like it was a brand new invention. It helped me to better imagine how amazed people were back in the 1890’s when the phonograph was first invented. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Andreasen on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:47 am:

Nothing of historical importance is taught anymore. Kids can't read analog (dial) clocks or watches, handwriting is like voo doo, a dial telephone is a mystery, etc. etc. None of this is for the better in my opinion. If I show my watch to someone and they can't read it, my first question is "Where did you go to school?" The idea being to embarrass them enough to go out and find the information and LEARN it.

I remember a cartoon from years ago.....two kids in a museum are standing in front of a display, in awe of an antique typewriter. One says to the other "Wow! A printer with a built in keyboard.....)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Bente on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:50 am:

I trek a lot in the high sierras and I’ve had people walk by me without even realizing I was sitting on a rock or log a few feet away. They usually have head phones on and their map app in front of their face.
I’ve also helped people with map and compass, usually to be met with a somewhat bewildered look of non comprehension.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:04 am:

If you met me outside of a T function you’d probably assume I was one of these stupid kids. Just a heads up, the attitude of “all you kids are stupid” just drives the wedge in deeper.

People of all ages are naturally inquisitive. Take the opportunity to show and teach them something new, no matter how small and obvious it is to you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Lay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lancaster Ca. on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:06 am:

I went to the local McDonald's to get a coffee and they will no longer take orders at the counter. I have to go to the touchscreen panel and order there. A local cruze-in car wash has also converted to touchscreen. This is the way of the future like it or not. I DON'T. Among-est other objections the Flu season is coming and what better way to spread those germs around. Now I will only use the drive thru to order. If you have never seen the movie Idiocracy go suffer thru it. It will get you a look at where our society is headed, AT FULL STEAM!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Dugger on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:24 am:

Seeing what Terry said about cursive writing I have a Grandson who cannot read cursive writing. I wrote his name on something one day several years ago and he could not read it. He is now 35 and I think he still is unable to read the kind of writing. I know mine is not the best the way I write but that was one of the things I was taught in school. Now they don't teach or do drivers ed and boy do they need it for damn sure. I think and blood soaked photo's they should show the teen drives the most gory photos of accidents so they get the picture of what can and will happen in their driving the way they do. Just my thoughts!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom 30 miles N of Memphis TN on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:58 am:

I agree with Tim from Thunder Bay. Just because there are some things younger folks don't know about doesn't make them dumb. On the contrary, they are equally on par with us oldsters only the things they have been taught are different.

By and large, most Americans know little about horses. How to drive a team, etc. 100 years ago, that wasn't the case. The generation that knew everything about horses would have thought the new kids were dummies, lazy, etc.

The bottom line is this, if you see something a younger person needs to learn, teach them. In the process you will learn from them. If you fail to use those moments to teach, you are the problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:06 pm:

Best of the bunch! Well said Gary!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:08 pm:

HIGHWAY OF AGONY by the Ohio Highway Patrol

I blame it all on when they added a number one to the keyboard when a lower case "L" worked just fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Juhl - Michigan's Thumb on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:25 pm:

One reason I retired from teaching is that the "powers that be" at the state level were forcing us to dumb down what we did in our classrooms. There was huge pressure to "teach to the test" and consequences if you did not. The state tests themselves were crap, poorly designed and measuring knowledge of little importance.

The teachers I worked with did not agree with totally eliminating cursive writing, substituting calculators for learning to do simple math and the rest. Reports from friends still working is that it's actually gotten worse....

I wouldn't write off the younger generations... their world is far different than the one we grew up in. We did things differently because there were no options... Not all of the old skills should be abandoned but for some, their time has mostly passed. For myself, replacing slide rules with scientific calculators in teaching chemistry was much more productive.

Those of us who appreciate old technology and the "old ways" should look for opportunities to draw the interest of young people and pass on our knowledge. Believe me when I say that there are still kids interested and willing to learn. They may dress different and be festooned with gizmos but inside there may be a spark of interest that only needs to be fanned...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:30 pm:

I forgot the actual number, but recently saw a poll.
80%? Of Millennial's would commit suicide if their smartphone was taken away...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:40 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:48 pm:

They are not all idiots! My son will graduate with honors from u of m next spring. Degree in computer coding with a minor in international business. He put a new clutch in his dirt bike a couple weeks ago in the driveway of his college housing.
My 18 year old girl is s freshman at Stanford in prelaw with a 7 year full ride scholarship, only girl from Montana accepted to Stanford this year. She spent the summer mowing lawns and running the office at the fairgrounds after the manager left on maternity leave. She took one weekend off to go play in a fiddle contest and do a guitar and ukulele workshop for the younger kids.
She could rebuild the clutch in her dirt bike if she wanted to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger - Wyoming on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 12:56 pm:

Regarding inability to read cursive, It will be a very different country when only the elite can read our Constitution and Founding Fathers' papers. The masses will be told that up is down and freedom is slavery. As it is, the courts insist that religion/prayer be kept out of schools, when in fact the first Amendment clearly states in part "... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..." For 150 years it was clearly understood until 1962 when the Supreme Court, without precedent, turned the Constitution on it's head.

I don't care if someone needs digital clocks, calculators, or cell phones.

What is dangerous is when a country's population can no longer read its founding documents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 01:03 pm:

I have a young co-worker who is from west TX. He moved to Savannah right out of college. He lives about 3-4 miles from work, and I kid you not, used his GPS to find his way here and back home for the first month he lived here. Blames it on the trees. Says you can see your destination from where you are where he's from. I live about 70-80 miles from here and commute. He has come to my house on numerous occasions to use my rifle range. As far as I know, he still uses his GPS to get there. Every time! You ask him which way he came. He doesn't know. You ask him if he passed such and such a landmark, and he doesn't know. There's a farm with about a mile of white painted rail fence that is absolutely beautiful. He doesn't remember passing it. Baffles the L out of me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 01:07 pm:

Oh, and this is gonna sound like a lie, but I swear it is the truth. He rode with me to Chattanooga one time. About 20 miles outside of Chattanooga, he asks me "Have we already gone through Atlanta?" I swear to God! He missed Atlanta!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 01:27 pm:

The slide rule got us to the moon and back. Also helped return the stricken Apollo 13 safely back to earth.

Even though I am amazed at the things the millennials don’t know, I am equally amazed at the things they do know.

With their knowledge of computers, millenials are much more equipped to survive in the future world than I am and they are probably as critical of us and our inability to understand computers, which to them is second nature.

Even so, I would not trade the time I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s being raised by the Greatest Generation and being instilled with the values that made them that way. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Parker on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 01:57 pm:

I'm not elite by any stretch but I transcribe Revolutionary War Pension application files and related land grant patent surveys from about 1775 through the late 1830's. They are all hand written in about three late eighteenth century styles and it seems most folks can't read them very well. Make Word documents out of them and plat the Grants.

Grand daughter, a freshman university student, became interested in it and has learned how to read that old cursive without ever learning modern hand writing (cursive). Big plus for her is she can type ten times faster than I can!

She wrote us a letter last week and still prints by hand.

Ken


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 02:25 pm:

Regarding learning to write in cursive, it appears notions of how to teach children, and what is appropriate to their physical development as they grow has been out of fashion for a long time. The "education establishment" is a top-down hierarchy where administrators and PhD "specialists" run the show, and the class room teachers starve.

In our day, "penmanship" was seen as developmental of fine motor skills. Outlining and coloring in kindergarten and first grade, then printing in second grade, learning how to hold a writing instrument properly. Look around, hardly anyone under 50 holds a pen correctly, they all write "monkey fist".

Think about it - what subjects did you hate in grammar school ? Penmanship, history, diagramming sentences ? Self-indulgence has filtered down to eliminating what educators themselves would have liked to do away with when they were kids. Add to this how two working parents mostly demand a full-time child care service from public education, and you have pretty much what amounts to the flaws in the system we complain about. In spite of that, there are a lot of kids who excel, like Stan's. They are our hope. I'd brag on mine, but 'nuff said.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 02:26 pm:

The worst thing to me is, family gatherings have become dinner and everyone glued to their phone before during and after !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 02:59 pm:

While I can barely read cursive and have the worlds worst handwriting, I was kicked out of school for the following:
Not being able to read a digital clock. Digital. I was used to clocks with hands.
Not using a calculator in math because I believed it was 'cheating'.
General old fashioned thinking.

I find even 40 year old shop staff can't even count change properly. When I try to explain why i gave them $12 for a $7 item was because I didn't have any $5 notes they seem so frustrated. Insist that "it's too much". Dense as anything...

Coming from a world where technology failed constantly & duct tape was a luxury was different enough. Now people want to rely on technology? I don't get it. Self reliance has been gleefully exchanged for apathy & ignorance of the worse kind.
This is why you should pray for very strong solar flares.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:07 pm:

Bob Coiro is our best writer, and while he does gild the lily somewhat, the gist of his thesis is correct. Being raised by people who came through the Depression and The War was an advantage for some of us.

Now here's some linguistic trivia for you: What is the one word Bob used that identifies him as a New Yorker? I'll be surprised in anybody get this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:07 pm:

Oh!, almost forgot. That young man mentioned in the first post in this thread should be grateful he found someone who at last would tell him the time.
When I was in the USA I stood on a street corner for many hours asking people what the time is, they all turned their heads away & shuffled to one side as if they thought I was disgusting scum begging them for something...
In my country I ask that & get told "I have a girlfriend/boyfriend".
When I reply with "I'm sorry you have a crippling disability that makes you illiterate to clocks called a boyfriend" they repeat it with such an angry tone.

Solar flares will save us all. Put your T coils in a faraday cage when you sleep. In fact I should start doing that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:26 pm:

Could it be pushcarts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:34 pm:

Bud: Nope.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:40 pm:

People write of their own reality. My mother was born in Russia, came here when she was two years old and lived her entire life in eastern Montana. She never saw anyone push a cart down the street selling anything. Our food came from our gardens and fields. We raised our own meat, hunted and fished, canned and preserved.

As a child I had my own horse by the time I was three years old and by five was expected to be able to bring the cows in, check sheep and their water in a section pasture a mile and a half from the home ranch gate to the pasture gate. I was expected to be able to open and close the gate. If I fell off or got bucked off I was expected to be able to get back on by myself. We had horses, cows, sheep, pigs and chickens. We walked to school summer and winter and learned to watch for rattle snakes in the grass.

Neither of my parents ever had the education they wanted but made sure we went to school every day and learned what we were being taught.

We had a shop to work in and a junk pile of old cars and machinery for parts to build whatever we wanted.

We were expected to play music.

We didn't play much sports because there wasn't much of that in Plevna, Montana. Kids went home and did chores, got on a tractor and worked in the field until dark or went to their job after school. For a lot of the kids in my high school it was a 40 mile one way drive on dirt and gravel to school with only a few ranches in between. Morning and night year around. My sister missed one half day of school from first grade to senior and that was because my dad couldn't get the Cat started so he could plow the road to the highway so we could get to high school and we got there 20 minutes late. 30 below zero and the wind blowing hard.

My sister could out ride and out rope any of us boys and was not shy about showing us.

This was our reality, not some street in New York.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:49 pm:

Steve Jelf - "parkways". (....and I grew up in Chicago!) ( :^)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Wicker on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 03:53 pm:

Just say... go South to the cross roads then head East.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 04:00 pm:

Just noted something that strikes me as somewhat comical Steve:

I just checked to see if my comment appeared in this thread, and noted that I was apparently typing while Stan Howe was also typing. What is comical to me is that his last line could have been a comment related to your "linguistics" question! And it strikes me as a good answer from a Montana rancher like Unc' Stan.

"......some street in New York")

Pretty "ironic", huh?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 04:04 pm:

By the way (speaking of education as this post does) I should have mentioned that in my opinion, altho' two completely different styles, there are two pretty darn good pieces of writing here,....not only Bob Coiro, but also Stan Howe!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 04:06 pm:

Long Island Expressway (too obvious. It must be wrong). Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 04:22 pm:

"Pushcarts"...?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 05:24 pm:

Swung? (But I thought that was a Philly thing like rattyator)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 05:42 pm:

Don't get me started on yu'ins in PA !! lol

And color is not keller...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John T. Tannehill III, Hot Coffee, MS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 05:47 pm:

brooked


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 05:52 pm:

Nope, nope, nope. Nobody has come close so far. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Noonan - Norton, MA. on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 06:06 pm:

I was going to say rolling businesses, but that's two words. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Kiefer - Adams, MN on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:00 pm:

Joe as in GI Joe also as Yankee


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daren Carlson on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:08 pm:

We had mandatory prayer in school. I found it useful praying I would make it another day through Catholic education.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian lawrence on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:13 pm:

Bovine?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Reid Central WI on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:14 pm:

Perhaps JoAnn rather than Jane.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Juhl - Michigan's Thumb on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:21 pm:

From my daughter - so true....shift


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDaniel Logansport Indiana on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:26 pm:

wares


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Reid Central WI on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:27 pm:

5 and 6 are getting beyond me. I thought that was a new generation thing. The H pattern is R-1-2-3, on the floor or on the tree. Four on the floor became big in the sixties.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:37 pm:

"You Prognosticators".....
:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry K. Lee on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:57 pm:

I will stay on my mountain and work on my old cars. I like the simple life, listening to the birds, watching the deer, and a deep breath of clean air. Things change and as our family members before us stated to us, “before your time and understanding how things were”. Folks, we are the old farts now, don’t worry about, there really isn’t anything we can do. Either get involved and get your blood pressure up, or go enjoy your old car. Mind over matter, I don’t mind so it doesn’t matter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:58 pm:

I have been watching this discussion with interest, being a retired grade school teacher. I was intrigued by Hal Davis's comment about scaring the L out of me. We have never spelled me with an L, just plain old me.

A couple of respondents mention the ability to diagram a sentence. My dictionary defines a diagram as "a drawing giving a schematic representation of the appearance or structure of something." How does one draw a picture of a sentence? Or is this a mis-use of the noun, diagram. There is no verb form of diagram, so whoever taught students that they could diagram anything was wrong. The correct term is to parse a sentence?

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:02 pm:

Regarding change at the store, try this sometime just for grins. After the computerized cash register has calculated the change, pull out some additional coin. For instance, say something costs $8.64. Give the clerk a Ten. After the computer says the change is $1.36, pull out a dollar, a dime, and a penny, making the change an even quarter. Watch the gears grind to a halt and the hand calculator pulled out.

I must say, however, that the kids have us old farts beat when it comes to texting and Photoshop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger - Wyoming on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:10 pm:

Allan

perhaps in Australia, you parse a sentence. In the US, we used to "diagram" it.

A Sentence Diagram is the same as a Parse Tree


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 08:24 pm:

I got it wrong. Coin would have to be 4 pennies and a dime making the change $1.50.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JIM WILSON, AMORY, MS on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:13 pm:

I had the same cash register experience. I could tell from the delay and fumbling in the cash drawer that the clerk had no idea how much change I should get. Finally he handed me some bills and coins. Since he didn’t count it I did, handed it back and told him he didn’t give me enough. He fumbled a bit longer and handed me money again. I checked, returned the money and told him he gave me to much. He fumbled some more before I ask if he wanted to know how much he owed me. He said he did and we completed the transaction. Life is a hoot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas Landers NE Indiana on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:28 pm:

I went to the golden arches to get my wife a coke. The lady working the drive through was about mid 40's. The coke was $1.07 and I gave her $1.10. She turned to the person behind her and said he gave me too much what do I do? The person training her said enter it in the register and it will tell you what to do.
I hate it when they put the money in the draw before giving you change. I was taught to lay the money on the register and count change back before putting money in draw. No question what was given to you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 09:29 pm:

Kinda OT, but being old enough to be the grandfather of most of the check out clerks at Walmart. They still ask for ID or my birthday to buy ammo. If you don't pay in the sporting goods section, the HS girl has to get someone else to ring it up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:23 pm:

Be kind.

Show compassion.

Teach the younger generation. Show them your Model T.

Explain your passion for these cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:34 pm:

When dealing with a person at a retail counter, I look at their name tag and ask them, by name, how they're doing today.

If they come back with the typical "fine", I ask "are you really?"

There's not enough time or space here to describe the amazing responses I've received. If time permits, I've taken the time to simply be a listening ear and even pray with people.

Instead of scoffing at the younger generation for not knowing cursive, failing to count change and myriad other failings, offer kindness, show compassion, volunteer somewhere, take your amazing 100 year old car to the gas station and light a fire of interest in a young person.

We'll all be gone in a relatively short period of time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Fuller on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:45 pm:

Don, great point.

I never understand why people hold it against younger generations for not knowing how to do certain things.

It's not their fault that no one has taken the time to teach them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Noonan - Norton, MA. on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 10:59 pm:

This should go over well. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:26 pm:

Thank you Ed.

Before I moved into the rough and tumble world of oil and gas, I taught high school chemistry for 8 years.

Young people are acutely aware of their generational shortcomings, especially when compared to the likes of the WW2 generation. An air of superiority from their elders does nothing to help them seek personal improvement. It simply engenders either feelings of resentment or inferiority...neither of which help the young person, or the senior person for that matter.

What works is speaking with fondness of the things you value and making yourself available to teach. Some of them will almost always avail themselves of the opportunity to learn. Not all...but some.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willis Jenkins on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:37 pm:

Jim,

Believe it or not, but I have run across some millennials that do not believe we landed on the moon! That it was a hoax!
As far as teaching the younger generation. There is the age old saying that you can lead a horse to water but, can’t make him drink. This younger guy (37) that I (53) work with, I have tried to no avail to teach him how we do things at our municipality. He is dumb as a box of rocks! And many people at work have said so, so I’m glad it isn’t just me! Just tonight, he changed oil on an F250 on a hoist. He lowered the truck down and the 55 gallon drain barrel, “got caught on the bumper”, and tipped over and spilled about 15-20 gallons of used oil on the floor! He said, he thought it was clear of the truck. I said, didn’t you watch it as you lowered the truck? He just looks at me with a stupid look on his face! My wife says, there is something not right with him.....
I can’t retire soon enough, ugh!

Willis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Noonan - Norton, MA. on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:48 pm:

How exactly are young people aware of their generational shortcomings, when history isn't even taught in school anymore? Making excuses for their feelings is probably not helping.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Bamford, Edmonton AB on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:57 am:

Steve, I'lll take a stab at your New Yorker word...

"Joanne"

While I don't know of any particular connection between this name and New York, "average Joe and Joanne" is the only expression Bob used that I haven't heard. Average Joe, of course, but not Joanne.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 01:08 am:

Nope, still not it. Hint: The word is common everywhere, but the way it's used is unique to New York.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 05:17 am:

Inadequate is how I feel reading 1 tenth of that Audie Murphy guys story.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:29 am:

Audie Murphy was a true hero, any way you look at it. A few weeks ago, there was one of these Mysteries at the Museum shows or something like it on TV early one morning. They were at the Ft. Stewart Museum. The artifact was a common M1 Carbine. Nothing special about it. Not in particularly good shape. Well worn with it's share of scratches, dings and dents. The only outstanding feature was its serial number, identifying it as the one carried by Audie Murphy. It would have been put up for sale by the CMP if not for an alert CMP employee at Anniston Army Depot. Ft. Stewart, now being the home of the 3rd ID has it in their museum. That is only 40-50 miles from me, so I intend to go have a look at it.

Now, the thing I hate to admit on a public forum, I had tears streaming down my face as I tried to tell my wife the story I had seen on TV before she had woken up that morning. That would never have happened in my younger years. Maybe emotions run higher when you get older. I don't know, but something about seeing that connection to a true American hero.....

Alvin York is another one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom 30 miles N of Memphis TN on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 08:22 am:

This is my last post on this subject. The attitude displayed towards a younger person will produce the same result. That is, treat them in a negative light and they will respond in a negative manner. This year my wife and I went to watch the towns fireworks display. I asked a young man a couple cars away to turn down his music. It was some of that nasty rap and every other word was the F bomb. He came back with a smart ass response as to how it wasn't hurting anyone. I had about 80-90 pounds on him and could have just beat the crap out of him, reached in and turned it down. While that might make for a good movie scene, it does nothing to correct the issue. So, I told him he was better than that and would someday have kids in tow and I knew he would turn out to be the man to protect them. I then explained that bringing unwanted judgement upon our self has lasting effects. He then said he was sorry and turned it down.

So many kids today are being raised without there father to provide guidance so its no wonder so many of them don't know how to act like a man. You can bitch about it or use the 1-2 minutes you're in contact with them to correct the issue in a respectful manner.

Todays kids are far from dumb. How many of you know how to render whale oil? 200 years ago folks knew, so what's your problem.

We have a failed public school system (year over year decline in performance since the creation of Dept of Education), kids being raised without there father (and 100's of miles from uncles and grandfathers), and finally a generation that looks down their nose upon them.

You are their only hope, act accordingly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:52 am:

The older we get the more the wife and i like to go out for supper.When served i 99% of the time say thank you and all to often the waiter/waitress will respond with no problem!!!! We had a good school system but all too often the powers that be will take what the public built and paid for and hand it off to for profit or special interest! This is the same thing with much of our health care and other services.How can we be expected to teach our kids/grand kids to be civil when now the trend is the most vulgar is on tv jumping around like a caged animal?? Far from perfect myself-Bud in Wheeler,Mi.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert G. Hester Jr., Riverview, FL on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:17 am:

I have found this post interesting and educational. I only have this to add, I haven't had to diagram a sentence since 1957 and I'm real happy bout that. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:31 am:

Steve, sent you an email.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:42 am:

Back to Allan Bennet, my dictionary shows "diagram" as a noun and a transitive verb. It was so used in the late Elizabethan era when I went to grade school. Since then, there have been a number of nouns "upgraded" to become verbs, which grate on the ears, such as being "friended" on Facebook.

Scott Conger, I'm sure you're right about parsing a sentence, as in the Christmas carol : ". . . and a peartridge in a parse tree !"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger - Wyoming on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 11:11 am:

What this thread has shown us, hopefully, is that it isn't so much a kid's fault that they graduate with no life skills, as it is the communities that accept Administrators with an agenda other than education, and Government edicts as to how and what to teach our children that often run contrary to the childrens' best interest.

Since the creation of the Department of Education in the US in 1979, there have been no improvements, but rather a steady decline in our "product" which come out of government factory schools. At what point do we say "ENOUGH!" and take control of our schools and our children's education?

When Fifth Grade children are asked what their gender preference is for a school project, but can't make change for a common financial transaction at that same age, something is desperately wrong with their education and the subjects that they are being exposed to...and it certainly isn't their fault. It's ours.

And for the parents that sacrificed, and were able to financially pay their school taxes plus pay additional to send their children to a school which actually taught, Kudos to them. And to the parents that took the time and saw to it that morals were instilled at an early age, Double Kudos.

For myself, I had the good fortune to go to a private school from grades 1-6. Upon entering public school for junior high, it became a 3 year repeat of 6th grade. On my first day, we were all given a form to take home to our parents to sign, to get free or reduced cost lunches. I told the teacher that my mom and dad could pay for lunch and I would not take the paperwork home. She told me I had to because the school would get more money to "teach" me if they signed it. I refused and for that, was placed into detention. The lessons I learned at that school did not come from a textbook.

So much for Government schools.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Goddard Farmland, NJ on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 11:34 am:

ON TUESDAY youtube WENT DOWN FOR 1 HR.
PEOPLE LOST THERE MINDS. SOME EVEN CALLED 911.
( YES I AM SERIOUS )"F" ing 911 !!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas Landers NE Indiana on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 11:38 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:45 pm:

"This was our reality, not some street in New York."

Just how many realities exist in your world? Depending on how much money the family had in my world, those with more than one either went into Byberry or into politics.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:59 pm:

Dallas,It takes 13 pancakes to shingle a dog house because ice cream dosen't have bones. I hope things are well East of Emma! PS,Anything happen with the car in the warehouse? Bud in Wheeler,Mi.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 01:05 pm:

And some high school graduates think New Mexico is another country.
Think about it-----------------------


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Kossor - Kenilworth, NJ on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 01:18 pm:

Yeah and if these trends continue, youngsters may not know how to adjust coil timing by measuring coil current! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vern (Vieux Carre) on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 01:39 pm:

In grade school, the teacher had us write (the same a cursive) as well as print to show us the difference. We were not allowed to disconnect letters within a word nor stop the flow of the pencil within a word. I decided to write the alphabet as a word and showed the teacher, who was impressed. Perhaps once every decade since, I write it out just for practice.
alphabet
Thanks for reminding me.
Vern


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john pawlowski - NE Pennsylvania on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:10 pm:

Come on Steve Jelf. I lived in New York most my life. What is the word.
And I hope that it isn't, the bird is the word.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas Landers NE Indiana on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:10 pm:

Thanks for solving that problem Bud. Nothing happening with the Scripps Booth. Nothing on my TT either. Work is crazy and cold is coming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:20 pm:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people -ruining-everything


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Pfau - Michigan on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:35 pm:

Steve
I'm going to guess "tossed"?

-Al


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:15 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:36 pm:

They call that Darwinism, Dale...lol

I saw it, but it said "his vote counts as much as yours"!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:40 pm:

Dick got it in his email. Just one little preposition.

"...standing on overnight, around-the-block lines..."

The rest of the country stands in line. New Yorkers stand on line. The late Daniel Schorr once commented that he had recently heard somebody refer to "standing in line" and it sounded strange to him, as he was from New York. Most people just absorb whichever phrase is current where they are raised without ever really noticing the difference.

John, it doesn't stop with high school graduates. The dean of an Ivy League university once wrote to the University of New Mexico asking if students taking summer classes there would need visas. That kind of thing is the reason that for many years New Mexico license plates bore the phrase NEW MEXICO USA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 04:28 pm:

Speaking of phrases -

Now it seems that something "goes missing" or "went missing".

To me, it disappeared.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 05:32 pm:

Dale W,Just think if he had bought it at wally world he would have been dressed in pj's! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 05:55 pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4uCCj5Roo0


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 06:37 pm:

I just wonder if they will know what oil to use.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harry Lillo on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:52 pm:

I saw this thread earlier but did not engage in it until I spoke to my friend Stan earlier in the day.
He speaks above of one's "reality". I believe I got the best education possible in my early years that prepared me for the rest of my life. If anyone doesn't believe me, you can call my 92 year old Mother to verify.
I grew up in the bush in Northern Alberta on the shore of a 70 mile long lake. My Dad was a trapper and later mink rancher. Our house was a 12 by 16 board shack with tar paper in the inside, outside and roof. We had a tin airtight heater in the middle to keep it warm in the winter.Sometimes when the fire got low it wasn't that warm. My pets were two half wolf husky dogs that would lay their lives down for me. I had my first jack knife at the age of 3 and could make you a whistle out of a spring willow in about two minutes. I could skin, flesh and stretch a squirrel or mink long before I could spell my name. In fact, my Mom taught me how to spell my name a couple of days before I went to school. Got my first rifle at the age of 10 and only shot what we would eat or sell for fur. No electricity or running water until after I left home to go to university. We would get into the nearest town three or four times during the winter for supplies. Our main food came from the land or lake. We would buy sugar, salt and similar supplies from the store.
This thread started off talking about telling time. My Dad could look at the sun and give you the time of day within plus or minus 10 minutes. Never wore or carried a watch. This was my reality and I am proud of this. By the way, never could afford a watch until I got to high school.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 08:23 pm:

Yeah it did. As I recall (from a distant galaxy in the alternate reality of the 1970's) it was reported that most children could not grasp how to tell time exclusively from digital clocks. I wonder how they managed to solve that problem so completely as to cause the opposite effect?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:01 pm:

That Bill, is the one thing that the gubment does quite well !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Lynn-Colorado on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:11 pm:

I recently spoke to some folks who sincerely believe that the Germans invaded and dropped the bomb on Japan, (they were in their 40's). Not sure what to say to that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:19 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 05:48 am:

What would you say, if I told you... there is a social networking site where a huge amount of people on it think that the attack on pearl harbour was unfair to the japanese?
That, is one of many reasons why we have to stop this madness.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 07:32 am:

Well I guess I could imagine what they think of the attack on Hiroshima then, huh?

And they STILL didn't get the message.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 08:39 am:

I would say, so what else is new?
People have been debating that since 1945 and others will still argue we should have sided with the axis powers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 10:22 am:

The dropping of the two atomic bombs in August of 1945, while tragic, was necessary to save lives. With the fanaticism of the Japanese due to their Bushido code, death before dishonor and no surrender policies, estimates predict that, as many as one million American servicemen would have lost their lives and many times more Japanese would have died defending the home island.

Had the invasion of mainland Japan gone ahead, I for one, would not be here, for my 19 year old Dad was aboard a ship in the Pacific, awaiting orders when the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

With such a momentous event that would have had such an impact on so many men, the world would be a very different place now and chances are, none of us would have ever been born because the course of events leading to the circumstances of our birth would have been altered on a global basis and a whole new cast of players would have been born in our places. Essentially, "the butterfly effect", on a massive scale. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 10:45 am:

Jim, my dad was 36 and a major in the army. He was in the Philippines in 1945 and was scheduled to be in one of the first waves ashore if Japan had been invaded. It was later found out that the area where he would have landed was about three times more heavily fortified than army intelligence had thought.

On a related note, there is a member of the Dutch community here in St Louis who was an 18-year-old in December 1941 and was immediately drafted into in the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL). When the Japanese invaded the Indies, he became a POW and was not long afterward shipped to Japan, where - contrary to the Geneva Convention - he was put to work in the Mitsubishi Shipyards in Nagasaki. He was there when the bomb fell and spent the next week or so working to help clear rubble, etc. He was liberated shortly thereafter, went back to the Indies, then moved to Holland when Indonesia became independent a few years later, and then emigrated to the US. He turned 95 in August.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 11:36 am:

I can say one GOOD thing I saw in the younger folks at Hershey. I had my usual $1 table and all I heard all week from T guys was " I don't want to get my hands dirty". So Friday I changed the sign to free, so I did not have to take it home. Boy did they get their hands dirty then. The only people that offered to pay a buck or two were under 35. Most would not let me not take it either.
By the way there will not be a dollar table next year. All the rest is going to the scrap yard. Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Chochole, Oswego, IL on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 11:45 am:

Maybe its not them, but us.

Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.

Socrates
469 BC - 399 BC


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Codman on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:32 pm:

I'm not as gloomy about the young people today as some of you. They learn what they have to learn; when we were kids just about everything was serviceable. Most folks didn't have enough money to throw something away if it was repairable, so we learned to fix things. Most stuff today is electronic and sealed. Since the products are not serviceable, the kids don't learn to fix them. We learned (most of us) to drive in a standard-shift car - today most cars are automatics and kids don't learn to drive a stick. The times that young people are living in are different then our time; it stands to reason that the kids are different too.
I vividly remember my father lecturing me on the evils of rock'n roll music and Elvis Presley in particular. "It will be the ruin of America" he said. I vowed that I would never be as rigid as my father.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Schrage -- Grosse Pte Farms, MI on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 01:43 pm:

Speaking of cursive, I learned cursive at a very young age from the nuns by writing "I will not talk in class" 500 times on the chalkboard -- in front of everyone!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 02:06 pm:

Not much reason for doom and gloom. From what I've seen of generation Z they will have a profound effect on overturning this culture of death, intolerance, lies and victim mentality. It maybe just out of normal generational rebellion but they ARE rejecting every aspect of it more than gen y and far more than gen x. If x and y think they're being bashed now - they ain't seen nothing yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 02:58 pm:

No Dan Hatch, don't chuck those parts away. Sell them for $1 each, people like me might buy them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 04:06 pm:

Kep: I hauled about +400lbs of $1 parts to Hershey and ended up giving them away. I paid for the parts, brought buckets to hauling them in, brought diesel fuel and still had give them away. The rest of them are headed to China. It is cheaper for me to do that. Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 10:20 pm:

That's not good science or history though. Seems everyone worships money & not machines.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles F. on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 10:58 pm:

Kep, I hope you don't worship machines...if Rustoleum goes out of business I am sending you all the WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW memes at my disposal!

As far as the topic, I guess as a Corolla driving 20 year old millenial living at home then I can respond to the topic with a hazard at what might be the trouble.

I think young people hate or ignore old things because of old people's attitudes.


It's not just a joke. I collect antiques and have had people get mad at me when I walked into antique stores or estate sales and asked for something vintage like Victrola records or old fountain pens. Folks get mad at me like I'm too young to have these kinds of things, and it's kind of humorous.

As far as why young folks don't use old stuff, it's because it really is tough to keep up with. You have to love it. The old folks that do remember it don't do a good job often at making it look good--people always tell me how bad their Victrola sounded, or how poorly their car ran, or how many shirts their pen ruined or that their typewriter filled up with cat hair and made a lot of noise. Most of the young folks would naturally be turned off because of how the old trashtalk it all.

Thirdly, anything old is considered to be worth stupid amounts of money so they feel excluded.

Just a few guesses...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 07:18 am:

While I have often seen some of the things that millennials do and say that have been discussed above, I have NEVER seen some of the attitudes displayed by older people in dealing with them that some of you are talking about. I know a lot of folks my age that will discuss topics like this in a jovial manner, and yes, behind the backs of said mellennials, but not because they hate them or any such trash. More because they are surprised and amused. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing the disdain of young people by older people that you are talking about. Not where I live.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 08:27 am:

I have it here if only by me.I do not like people in public that are too lazy to dress so they go shopping in pj's! I hate it to see a would be man wear a hat in church!I do not like it when people young or old do not put their cart where it belongs but leave it in the parking lot! I hate it when people tailgate either young or old! Grumpy old Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas Landers NE Indiana on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 09:24 am:

RESPECT. There is a song about it. I think is what grumpy old Bud is talking about. I was taught it at a young age. Not all of younger generation is lacking it. A friend of mine has two kids. I went to OCF the last three years with them. We went out to eat several times. Now a 17 year old boy and a sister about 14. They asked if they can have a soda at dinner. The parents said water. No attitude just good with it. No phones at the table, spoke when spoken to.
The young people joining our fire department are a great bunch. I razz them but know they have my back and I theirs. They are there for the right reasons as we are volunteer. Last Saturday we spent 16 hours at the station at our fundraiser and served 1214 people fish and chicken. They all gave 110%. They are out there yoy just have to find them and put your effort into those. I met an 18 and 20 year old at OCF this year that had their own T's there and dressed the part. Adjusting bands and wrenching on their cars. One was a 16 touring and the other was a 24 coupe I believe. I have met Buds grandson and he is a nice young fella. Works on and drives grumpy Buds T. They are out there, we just have to look hard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 10:05 am:

When I was in the Marines during the Vietnam War, there were occasions that I and my companions had to walk through airports to catch our flights and in most, there were anti war hippie agitators that said terrible things to us and sometimes they spat at us. They were dirty, had long hair and beards, wore torn jeans, tie dyed shirts beads and peace signs and Archie sandals. Even though it was long ago, and these days, I am always thanked for my service to my country, the treatment we endured left a long term affect on me...and what I am about to say, in no way is meant to be derogatory for the fine folks here, but, to this day, I can’t stand to see a grown man going barefoot or wearing sandals and feel the same way about long hair and beards. When I see it, I have to turn away. Just something that has carried over from long ago, that I can’t help. I will say that I have always been treated with respect by the millennials and much prefer them to the disrespectful hippies of our generation.

Unfortunately, the hippie look and way of dress has come back along with a beard fad, so I can’t hardly go anywhere without encountering this, so I sort of walk around with blinders on so as not to be transported back to the airports and throngs of hateful hippies we had to walk through. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 10:24 am:

"I think young people hate or ignore old things because of old people's attitudes."

How old (in your world) does one have to be - to be old?

They may be the same people (in my world) that are young but I'm not thrilled by their attitudes either :<)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 11:26 am:

As a rule of thumb, "old" is 15 years older than you are ! ; - )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 11:41 am:

I think acting old is a frame of mind and has little to do with age. Another word for old is “responsible”. Anyone who is part of the establishment, with a good job, a career, a family and a home is considered old. In the 1960’s the leaders of the anti war movement told the protesters not to trust anyone over 30 and those leaders were in their mid 20’s. They are in their 70’s now. Is that Karma, or what...:-) Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 11:58 am:

15 older doesn't do it for me. Seen too many 15 years younger no different than the stereotype of people yelling "Get OFF my Lawn!!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Grisbee---Cheyenne Wyo on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 03:05 pm:

My wife of 30 years was an elementary school teacher that whole time. She said they quit having a separate spelling class at school thinking the kids would pick it up in their English essays and so forth. It's not working. Our local TV station is CBS and what they pipe in is good but what the newscasters put up on the screen themselves about local news has lots of misspellings. Maybe that's acceptable to them but I think it should be better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Codman on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 03:54 pm:

I don't play golf, but not long ago read an autobiography of Arnold Palmer. He and I have one thing in common (besides liking to fly): Men wearing hats inside buildings drove him nuts. Me too. This is not an age thing, I have seen plenty of guys old enough to know better wearing hats inside buildings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 04:02 pm:

They apparently were never in Uncle Sam's Army.

We were taught to always remove "cover" when we went inside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James M. Riedy, Sandusky, Ohio on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 04:13 pm:

Army rule "inside lid off, outside lid on. Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 04:26 pm:

A lot of the things mentioned here are annoying, but mostly petty things that are not as important as they seem.
A lot of the shortcomings in many of today's youth are shortcomings in the adults surrounding them. Many of single parent homes. And the education system is not there to raise people's kids. Not making excuses for the system, it is a problem.
This is absolutely not true of all of the kids !!

The biggest problem IMHO, is the opioid epidemic. I have heard enough about kids and young adults that are dead.
Just this week, a guy I used to work with, 30s, 2 years clean and raising a little girl, just bought a new car, volunteered for a rescue mission...
Found with most of a syringe still full in his arm, dead instantly.
Sad...

Just be thankful if your children are on the right path, even if they can't sign their own name or tell time.
Values are learned, not instinct, we should help when we can.
Not all can be reached.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Chuplis, Coatesville, PA on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 05:11 pm:

I don't think Opioids are the biggest problem but certainly are a problem. The Cars for Kacie organization gets the word out around here. If you or anyone would like to try something similar in your area, they would more than glad to help get you started.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 11:55 pm:

I wear a hat all the time. My bald head burns easily in summer and gets really cold in winter. I look around for somewhere to put a hat when inside. Most times, the only safe place is on my head! besides, it's harder to forget it and leave it behind. Give me somewhere to hand my hat, and I would.

Allan from don under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 06:05 am:

I have a bald coworker. Several of us usually go to lunch on Fridays to this restaurant that is usually pretty cold inside. Yesterday, he said he forgot his hat and said he would rather go someplace else so he wouldn't be cold. We did. Yes, I know it's supposed to be bad manners and all, but I ain't in the army anymore and frankly, i got bigger things to worry about than whether someone wears a hat indoors or not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gordon A. Clayton Sr. on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 11:21 am:

Hey guys. What do you think the old folks thought of you when you were young ???? Couldn't hitch a team, couldn't plow a straight furrow, didn't know one end of a hay knife from the other. We were a rather stupid lot, more concerned with racing around in an automobile and going to the movies than doing something useful.
Mark Twain said, " when he was 15 his father was the most stupid individual but by the time he got to be 19, it was amazing what the old guy learned
in five short years."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Rogers - South of the Adirondacks NY on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 11:40 am:

I know, always a contrarian, but I don't believe we live in "sad times". Folks in this country and many others are living and experiencing the best time to be alive on this planet. Change is inevitable, history is always lost to the next generation and the spread of doom and gloom is nothing more than the people in power trying to keep us fearful and in line.


Also, I've lived in NY for 50 plus years and we all say "in line". Maybe it's a Long Island thing?

(Message edited by Antique_iron on October 20, 2018)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bean on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 01:34 pm:

What do most older people and millennials have in common?

Both will have trouble driving a backwards shift Dodge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bean on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 01:35 pm:

What do most older people and millennial have in common?

Both will have trouble driving a backwards shift Dodge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bean on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 01:37 pm:

Sorry for the double post. Got an error message sent the post again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 06:03 pm:

Some day the power grid and the internet will crash worldwide, and our cities will die. Those who have streams or wells with hand pumps or windmills will have enough water, and those who can farm and have stored up food for the future will survive. If they have horses they will be able to travel farther than on foot. It will take too long to fix the grid and the net so those who rely on them will perish. Future generations will look at the remains of our civilization like we look on places like Egypt. Then everything will start out again slowly like it has in the last several thousand years.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Jull in Oakland on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 09:43 pm:

Just remember that there are so many things that the younger generation can do that the older generations have difficulty doing. For example how many teenagers would have a difficult time attaching a photo to a message on this forum? Probably none of them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Dizer on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 11:28 am:

Thinking of the changes my late father saw in his lifetime. He was born in 1921, and lived until 2017. When he was born, radio was a fad that few listened to, movies were silent for another eight years, airplanes were mostly barnstormers in leftover ww1 trainers, Lindbergs flight was 6 years away, horse and buggies and bicycles still were plentiful in Vermont where he was growing up. He lived through the depression, had a bike shop when he was 14, graduated from high school ( which, being in Vermont, is still in use), went to college, graduated with an mechanical engineering degree, joined the navy in 1943. He went through the navies ensign school at Notre Dame, became a 90 day wonder, was assigned to be skipper of the LCT 685, fought all the way from New Guinea to Leyte, to Subic Bay, to Okinawa, and to the initial landings in Japan. He saw airplanes go from wood and fabric, to all metal passenger planes, to jet planes, to space exploration. Music from phonographs to lp records, to stereo, to magnetic tape, to cassette, to cd's. Communication from hand crank phones, to rotary dial, party lines to private, wall phone to wireless, to cell phones. He went from printing to cursive writing, to typewriters with carbon copies, to photocopiers, written letters to email, Sears and Montgomery Wards JC Witney as catalog suppliers, Hemmings Motor news as a place to find T parts ( he knew the publisher personally) to online searches for anything, eBay and Amazon to buy from. He went from model T's and steam trains, to modern airplanes, air conditioned automobiles, from mud roads (they still have those in Vermont) to paved roads, interstates on which you can drive anywhere in the US quickly, and from autos where 100 miles between maintenance, and 15,000 miles! Tires that lasted a few hundred miles to over 100,000 miles now. The changes in one lifetime are simply staggering. Old technology was quickly discarded, and replaced with new, and very few even looked back! Take money, cash in hand, to new "credit cards" started with gas companies, and spread like wildfire, then national cards like visa came out. Debit cards became handy, now pay by phone is the way to go. People do what is easy and convenient to them at the moment, taking the path of least resistance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 11:49 am:

William, I have similar thoughts sometimes, but tend to think of my great-grandmother, who was born in rural Ontario in 1866 and died in St. Louis in 1962. (I was 20 when she died, so I remember her well.) What I really enjoy is that my parents, grandparents and great-grandmother made me a birthday tape (I was away at college) in 1959, which I now have in digital format. That means that my grandchildren can hear the voice of their great-great-great-grandmother. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 12:03 pm:

Millions experienced those amazing changes. My dad was born before the Wright brothers' first flight and was raised by his grandparents after his folks died. Lots of people died young in those days, especially kids. Dad remembered the first car in Sedan, Kansas, where he was raised, and saw the first flight of a plane over Sedan. He saw two presidents in person. His grandpa, a Civil War vet, took him to see Taft at a campaign stop. People see presidents in person today, of course, but for several reasons that's a much less likely experience. As Bill says, the changes are staggering in number and degree. Some of them are for the worse, some are improvements, and some are just changes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 12:15 pm:

One huge difference between being raised by "depression era" parents and later generations is the disposable world we now live in.
My parents and grandparents threw nothing away, EVERYTHING had a potential future use. Believe me, I have been wading through things that were saved 50 years ago
"Waste not want not" was the creed for them.
Everything is tossed out nowadays. I save a lot more than some people do, for good or bad.
Self reliance is a value that seems to be a dwindling trait for the last few generations.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 12:32 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 01:22 pm:

Dave, seems to me most items made the last 30 years or more are not worth saving. Made with plastic parts and stamped sheet metal, there's nothing to fix, and parts are unavailable. Many systems are assembled by robotics and cannot be re-assembled by a humid bean if torn down for repair. To the good, many items give reliable service for reasonable lengths of time, then it's time to do as Alexander says - buy a new one !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Cascisa - Poulsbo, Washington on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 02:16 pm:

These are the best of times.
These are the worst of times.
These are the only times.

Be_Zero_Be

You never used to be older.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 12:14 am:

We do live in a 'disposable world', at least in our so-called developed countries. I stopped at our local Fleet-Farm store a few days ago, where they'd just opened 'ToyLand' for Christmas. A young mom was checking out in front of me, with her cart loaded with toys for kids.... All made with LOTSA plastic!
China has stopped accepting our plastic to recycle, so where will a lot of that plastic go next summer? Plastic and batteries in landfills (to me) just doesn't sound appealing for my grandkids and their families.
We are victimized by our own lack of common sense. JMHO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Victor Bloxsome on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 01:00 am:

Electronics alphabet ;

alpha beta gamma delta epsilon zeta eta theta iota kappa lamda mui nui xi omicron pi rho sigma tau upsilon phi chi si omega ............

I swear I recalled the
Greek alphabet from my 1961 electronics days published in " Radio and Hobbies " magazine . The written word is sacred to me because one can refer to it forever - while it exists .A word in one's ear can be despatched at will . I read the Newspaper every morning to choose what I believe {or not } and discuss with whoever will participate . VICTOR
{ I shall check out my lead paragraph and make corrections if necessary ! VVVVVVV >


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 04:13 am:

Recently I watched an older friend sorting through a container of clothing from her sister-in-law. We found one garment that was obviously home-made. She found a note that it was made by her grandmother-in-law in 1933 from a scarf brought from France in 1919. I pointed out that that envelope provided family provenance for the garment, but she had made up her mind to give it to the charity thrift store despite having grandchildren who might appreciate it.
I ran into the same thing with my father-in-law who in his late 80s destroyed and threw out family photographs, and was about to haul his WWII wooden Kennedy tool chest from his time as an inspector in an airplane factory to the dump. It still had ration stickers in it! (Yes, I have it!)
So, it's not just the young folks we have to wonder about!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eugene Story on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:05 am:

grandad said he had 6 bets to his name and it was 5 minutes after half past 10 and it was 5 miles to town instead of 4 minutes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Cascisa - Poulsbo, Washington on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:18 am:

The original "Bit Coin".

Two Bits, Four Bits, Six Bits a Buck.

Be_Zero_Be

You never used to be older.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:35 am:

Bob, there was a high school cheer as well.

"Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar,
All for Webster, stand up and holler!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 10:40 am:

Now that the thread is completely adrift, anyone know why "two bits" was twenty-five cents ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Humphrey on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 11:30 am:

I think this is it Rich,
In the United States, the bit is equal to one eighth of a dollar or &#8203;12 1&#8260;2 cents. In the U.S., the "bit" as a designation for money dates from the colonial period, when the most common unit of currency used was the Spanish dollar, also known as "piece of eight", which was worth 8 Spanish silver reales. One eighth of a dollar or one silver real was one "bit".

Just sayn, Steve


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick in Florida on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 12:50 pm:

“Shave and a haircut, 2 bits”


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john pawlowski - NE Pennsylvania on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 02:45 pm:

Another problem with this younger generation is they get distracted easily.;<)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 04:05 pm:

Thanks for that, Steve. In the "everything you know is wrong" dept., I was told a local (and much more recent) explanation, that "two bits" became common in the gold rush era in Montana when nothing that was freighted in to the mining camps cost less than twenty-five cents, and gold dust was the medium of exchange - two pinches ("bits")weighed in at twenty-five cents. Maybe true at the time, but I figured the expression was a lot older than the 1860s.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 03:56 am:

Being able to read an analog clock, reading and writing cursive, counting change...etc. All survivable shortcomings from parents or teachers.
The bigger issue, apparently now, is defining how many genders there are. How did WE all survive believing that there's 2 genders for thousands of years ?
Who's bright idea was it to put the gas on the right, instead of the brake ?? And where's the gas pedal on this thing ??
Maybe I am just resistant to change...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 05:36 am:

I believe that DNA defines genders & anyone who believes differently probably thinks that you can choose to obey gravity or not.

I also believe most people are insane, I have lots of evidence for it too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 07:20 am:

At the risk of having this entire thread deleted for my political/moral views, I agree with you Kep. And I'll go a step further. I believe that these young parents today that refuse to identify the sex of their child, preferring instead to let their child decide when they get old enough, are guilty of child abuse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Humphrey on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 07:23 am:

AMEN ... Hal..


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