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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:15 pm:

While on the way to Hershey our "new" old car showed up. It's a 1905 Ford Model F. According to Trent Boggess ledger data, it was sold new in April 1905 through Wannamakers of Philadelphia.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:18 pm:

Rob,Congrats on your very early stable of Fords!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Reid Central WI on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:18 pm:

Beautiful car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:20 pm:

Like! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hanlon N.E.Ohio on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:22 pm:

WOW !! I want to see the engine...please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:56 pm:

Thanks guys. We now have a 2, 4 and 6 cylinder Ford. Guess an early V-8 would finish us off nicely..... :-)

A few pics of the engine and things when the car was a Piquette several years ago:







With the top on:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:12 pm:

Serial # ????

Former Owner ??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 11:12 pm:

There is probably still room in that Quonset hut for another one. Maybe a Model A.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willis Jenkins on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:28 am:

Rob,

How did you happen to come across this one?
Congrats, by the way!

Cheers,
Willis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:44 am:

Wonderful! To say the least.
Congratulations.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Martin, Sydney Australia on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:31 am:

Rob, I'm beginning to dislike you....:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:26 am:

Don,
#2705. This F came from a California owner. Prior to that it was at Piquette for a time.

Willis,
Interestingly, I looked at buying this F in 2009. At the time we had several Ts and our Model N. As it turned out, a friend in CA bought it on a Phoenix winter auction and I later bought our first Model K.

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az09/auction/lots/r228-1905-ford-model-f-tour ing-car

Dave,
There is another project on the horizon...... And this one is Model T related.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:39 am:

Fantastic..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:40 am:

You gotta love that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:25 am:

Rob,

That looks just like the one I have!

Oh...not the car just the picture...I have a picture just like that. :-):-):-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenneth w delong on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:58 am:

Rob,Any chance it was the one in the picture with Henry and Edsel? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent stefanacci on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:59 am:

Absolutely AWESOME !
That color is sweeeeeeeeeeeet !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:35 am:

Thanks guys. Bud, odds are not. However, one never knows. This engine number was shipped to California. I don't know the history of this particular car, as to whether it is an original car or pieced together. Hopefully I'll learn more over time.



Our N #3 is more apt to have been ridden in, or at least touched by Henry Ford. This is the first N, and ours has some unique features such as the front axle to this one:



We know Henry and Edsel Ford rode in at least one Model K Roadster, after winning the Cleveland Stucky Hill hill climb in 1907:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:15 pm:

Rob, It seems like you're getting really close to having a complete collection of the early Ford letter cars. Congratulations on acquiring a really nice car!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 12:56 pm:

Thanks Keith. That darn Model B would be the one that's about impossible to find, and afford. I've not had a car eligible for one and two cylinder tours before, and we're looking forward to taking it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 01:38 pm:

Wonder what's the story on the red & green (port & starboard) running lights??? Do you suppose Henry thought that nautical navigation rules & regulations were eventually going to apply to road vehicles too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:06 pm:

Harold,
Both our N original lights and new F have the same red and green G&D side lamps with eye shades. I suspect it was an industry standard or feature at the time.

I'll look for a period add this evening.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 02:43 pm:

The Vintage Ford Vol.5 No.6 had the most fantastic photo essay and story about a Model F back in 1970. It showed many details and the beauty of an original car. I was intensely bitten by the two-cylinder bug at that time and it has continued to plague me to this day.
What a wonderful car that is to add to your stable of fine Fords. The earlier Fords only add to our appreciation of the Model Ts.
Thanks for sharing these photos with us.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace, Woodstock,Ont. Canada on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:23 pm:

Beautiful car Rob!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RE Helgeson on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 03:39 pm:

Rob, you are living the dream my friend. Your Pre T Fords are top drawer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 05:01 pm:

Is that the Bill Ortman car? If so, there should be a few members of the BAHCC that should still remember some history of the car. I didn't know Bill really well, but he was always interesting to talk to, and listen to. As I recall, it had some very interesting history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Cicciarelli on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:48 pm:

Holy moly!! Very nice car!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:01 pm:

I have been told by American's that stay at my Motel that with the economy the way it is that 80% are still doing it tuff, Rob you must be in the minority group!
Oh! by the way, very nice car to add to your collection. I am jealous.!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C west central, MN on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:07 am:

I'm happy for you Rob! A generous and kind fella should have the toys he wishes for. You're that fella. :-)
That F should be great fun!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Kiefaber on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:49 am:

Looks like the car Richard Gould had for sale. I have an unrestored 1906 model F and I think they are the most ornate of early Fords.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 07:25 am:

Thank you for the kind comments.

Frank, I'm fortunate to be involved with a young woman who accepts and even embraces our hobby. Much different from the former administration. In other words, an enabler...... :-)

Wayne, I'm only aware of the last two owners. I anticipate learning more over time about this cars history.

Duey, i expect to see you next summer in MN for a ride.

Robert, yes, Richard's car. Back when he bought it in 2009, he and i spoke about the car, as i was already drooling over it. Richard has been a wonderful caretaker. My plan is to drive and tour with it, and Julie has taken quite a liking to it too.

I'd like to see you restored car Robert, if you'd care to post a few pics.

I expected someone to mention that Model F aren't very fast for my tastes (quite different from the K Roadster), and had the following article ready to prove that a two cylinder Ford could win a race too:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 11:30 am:

Rob. you need a track so you can practice setting records for the mile, 24 hour run, etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C west central, MN on Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 10:27 pm:

Haha! Don't tempt me Rob! Thank you.
Phooey. See you there!
Poor Edsel looks like a ball of twine even then...
Funny, I'm working on resurrecting a 21-32 FT Twin City. It's a good bit slower and worth a bunch of trifles less but it's production serial #2 so it's just as cool...to me. Haha! :-)
That F is a speed demon for '05! Uber cool!
Uhhh!!! Look at those "old" tractors in those pics!!! I had to look again and wipe the drool from my chin.
You don't use that old 4020 do you? I got lost after the 86 series but that IH looks awfully familiar. 1486? Nah. Big Chevrolet truck? Wonderful work and play machines and they are well-kept-gorgeous!
Back to the regular scheduled programming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 12:39 am:

Rob, was the Schebler D that is on this car correct for the F? It must be one of the last Fords that used a Schebler carburetor as the NRS series all used Holley or Kingston I believe.

The D's are good carbs but hard to make idle smoothly and still accelerate well. An interesting modification was one I saw on the Jack Benny Maxwell carb I did last winter or winter before. Somewhere back in time someone had added an ingenious idle circuit with it's own adjustment to it.

I don't know much about the pre-T Fords, but I am in love with your F!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan in Paso Robles on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 01:05 am:

I recall helping work on this car when Richard first had it in California. It is a very neat car!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Kiefaber on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 03:45 am:

here is my unrestored 06


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Kiefaber on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 04:05 am:

My carb is a very early Holley carb with the pipe thread outlet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen - Eastern Nebraska on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 06:46 am:

Stan and Robert, I don't know what carb was original to Model F. My guess is the Holley on Robert's is original.

Since I was gone when the F arrived, it was dropped at a neighbors. While I have a John Deere, mine is older, a 530 (last of the two cylinder Deere). We bought it new when I was four years old. My other remaining tractors are a 170 hp front wheel assist Allis and Case/IH loader tractor.

Dave, I've thought of a one mile track. However, our bottom ground where it would fit is low ground and there would be spots that would never dry enough. Not many flat one mile dirt tracks left in the U.S. any longer.

Notice the block Ford script on Robert's original F. I've seen that style of script on two other Ford's, both Model K. The one below was used by the Chicago Branch manager as a pilot car in a 1907 endurance run. The sacks on the car contain red confetti to drop at turns and intersections to mark the way for the cars on the run:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 08:32 am:

Stan mentioned acceleration and the Model D Schebler. The pipe from the carburetor to the T and then pipes to the cylinders are long enough to make some lag time from moving the throttle to the actual response of the engine. My 2-cyl Buick is similar. You have to think a second or two ahead or you have the engine racing or stalling. Perhaps the guillotine throttle doesn't help either. This while trying to shift, stop and drive in traffic take some getting used to. Just more fun.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C west central, MN on Friday, October 19, 2018 - 11:12 pm:

You walrus, you. Don't ever let anyone restore your F please. He run good? Very nice car walrus! He's beautiful and keep me up to date if you would. :-)
Thank you and sorry all at the same time Rob. Those late two cylinder JD's were starting to run REALLY good. When a teen, working on a barn dad was building, The fella used his 730 on a manure spreader daily. Such sweet music. Some very good fuel economy results from the 30 series too.
Eh hem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Bond on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 09:22 am:

I'm wondering if that may be the same car once owned and restored by an old friend in Baltimore? Phil Schnering had one that he said was owned by Wanamakers. It was incomplete when he acquired it and he spent a life-time finding things for it. In the early 1970s he managed to locate a complete rear end assembly at the old Harah's swap meet. Phil passed away years ago and I never knew what became of the car other than hearing it may have gone out west someplace. I was in the Navy stationed overseas at the time so was unable to keep track of it. All before the wonders of the internet!
Terry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 09:43 am:

I'm in awe of the pre-T Ford letter cars.

Thanks for sharing it with us.


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