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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tommy coffey on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 02:01 pm:

Hopefully I won't get banished, or tarred and feathered but here goes...I learned about 35-40 years ago, that when the first well was dug on the old family home place, which now belongs to my sister, after the old folks had carried water from a nearby spring for years, that when Granpa, Dad, and a couple of uncles began to hand dig a well, that they broke into a BIG cavern. That was about 65-70 years ago. I have wondered about what might be down there, but never knew, until just recently, where the dig site was. Now that we know, my son, nephew, brother-in-law, and I, plan to redig and find out. The only Model T connection is that the diggers, and refillers of the failed attempt at a well may have taken the opportunity to dispose of some Model T parts, and God only knows what else, when refilling the hole. It will be an adventure and a good photo op!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 02:26 pm:

Tommy, Be sure that Jeraldo Rivera is there so we finally get the scoop on where Jimmie Hoffa went...... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Juhl - Michigan's Thumb on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 09:56 pm:

If it looks like an extensive cave system you'd be wise to enlist the services of an experienced caver. I've done some flooded cave exploration on SCUBA gear and I can tell you there are numerous opportunities to kill yourself if you aren't well-trained and careful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 10:10 pm:

What Tim J says. I read this earlier, but have been uncertain what to say myself. I have met a few cavers over the years, and heard a few horror stories. I understand there are a lot of large cave systems in your part of the country. What you are planning sounds like a lot of fun! I would love to have such an opportunity to do that.

Just, please, be careful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 10:30 pm:

Floyd Collins


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 06:01 am:

Sounds awesome, have fun but be safe :-)

I've read a reference about forgotten underground rooms built by the Indians, later used by the mid 19:th century underground railroad for hiding fleeing slaves, but that was about 240 miles north of you, in Millboro, Va.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tommy coffey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 07:36 am:

Yes dale w, I am familiar with Floyd Collins. My mother used to sing the ballad of Floyd Collins to me when I was a child, as well as the ballad of little Kathy Fiscus, the 3 year old that fell into an abandoned well in California in 1949.
Fond memories of hearing mother sing 55 years ago.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 08:28 am:

When we lived in Somerset KY a small sinkhole developed in our from yard where the pipe went from our home to the septic system.
I was a bit concerned so I had someone come to pump the leach field and repair what I thought was a broken pipe.

The septic guy told me that the leach field was completely empty because the pipe was dumping everything into a cavern, and it was best to just cap the sink hole.

I sometimes wonder if spelunkers --- never mind!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 09:00 am:

My Grandfathers farm near Posen, Mi. had sinkholes on it that they and the neighbors used as handy "hidey-holes" to throw their junk and dead livestock in.
These were caused by water running through the limestone and carving out caves with chambers that would eventually collapse forming the hole. I dont know how long ago this happened, but some spelunkers have found the bones of long-extinct Mastodons that took a tumble into some of them during the last Ice Age.
I know there are a few "T"s down there, as well as a "TT" (I was there for that one's demise in the mid 1960's and still have the steering wheel!) a Port Huron Steam engine, all tangled up in old bones, bed springs, fencing, roofing and other farm-based detritus.

Back in the 1980's my dad and me visited the area and got permission from the owner's to go look at the holes (the place had been sold by then) and you could see glimpses of chrome and glass shining through the trees and ferns growing on the bottom, along with a pair of recently added washing machines!

As a kid I always wanted to climb down into those holes to explore, but the story of poor ol' Floyd (and the absolute certainty of an ass whoopin' if found out) always scared me out of it.
GOOD LUCK and be careful!


The Ballad of Floyd Collins

O come all ye good people, and listen while I tell,
The fate of Floyd Collins, a lad we all know well.
His face was fair and handsome, his heart was true and brave;
His body now lies sleeping in a lonely sandstone cave.

"O mother, don't you worry; dear father, don't be sad;
I'll tell you all my troubles in an awful dream I had.
I dreamed I was a prisoner; my life I could not save.
I cried, "O must I perish within this sandstone cave? "

The rescue party labored; they worked both night and day
To move the mighty barriers that stood within the way.
"To rescue Floyd Collins," this was their battle cry,
"We'll never, no, we'll never let Floyd Collins die!"

But on that fatal morning, the sun rose in the skies;
The workers still were busy, "We'll save him by and by."
But O how sad the ending; his life could not be saved;
His body then was sleeping in a lonely sandstone cave.

Young people, O take warning from Floyd Collins' fate,
And get right with your Maker before it is too late.
It may not be a sandstone cave in which we find our tomb,
But at the bar of judgment we too will meet our doom.



From Ballads and Songs of Michigan, Gardner
Collected from Miss Mabel Tuggle by Mrs. W.A.Drinkard, VA
DT #769
Laws G22


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