Broken Steering mounting plate repair.
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Broken Steering mounting plate repair.
By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 02:05 pm:First off this may be of interest if you have an "improved" car (1926-1927). My late '27 roadster pickup has always had loosey goosey steering which about 2 weeks ago became much more loosey goosey and started making loud banging noises matching up with a bit of jerkiness in the steering. In addition the spark and throttle quadrants started turning the opposite direction from the steering wheel. Accompanying this was a large sudden acceleration on left turns and a drop to idle on right turn.
Upon reflection I decided that this condition was sub-optimal and might merit investigation.
Checking down around the tie rod and environs disclosed no problems. Eventually I settled on the area pictured below.
This photo explains the bolt and nut I found on the floor of the T about 2 weeks ago!
The following may make the problem a bit more evident. A lot of effort on removing the remaining bolts allowed the following photos.
E-bay showed a replacement for $40 + a week or more to ship so I applied some hot glue with my acetylene glue gun:
Buttoned it all up:
Now the steering is tighter than I ever remember it being. By tighter I mean less free play in the steering wheel when a turn is attempted. I now have about 30° total (15° each way).
My post-mortem analysis is that the plates were mounted with 1/4-20 bolts which allowed some movement of the mount. I replaced the bolts with tight fitting carriage bolts and used large washers. The two firewall bolt holes had wallowed out enough that a 1/4" nut was able to fall through. This really cried out for a weld repair, but I shied away from applying the acetylene glue gun to the firewall with all of the combustables in the vacinity. by using correct fasteners the movement of these pieces was eliminated. I feel that the failure was due to constant movement and repeated flexing of the part over the last 20 years I have owned the car, and possibly longer.
This is an area I would suggest be added to your pre-drive inspection list.
IMHO, TH
(Message edited by thorlick on December 12, 2018)
By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 12:21 am:"- some hot glue with my acetylene glue gun".
I do like that!
You going to be around this coming week?
By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 08:08 pm:Wayne,
I should be. I can't go anywhere as I am buried under a mountain of old spokes.
TH
By Tim Moore, on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 08:48 pm:I also like the hot glue with the acetylene glue gun...that beats the hell out of 2 tubes bought at ACE hardware and calling it welding and the miracle cure.
I have had several 26-27 T's with the same defect in the steering column bracket and that seems to be a weak point for some reason. I would also suggest you check the body to frame bracket on the cowl as they seem to break in tandem.
Great post Terry,
Regards,
Tim Moore