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Dave:

Thanks for letting us all know that Steve is safe and sound at home. We hope that he can adjust to whatever needs to change in his life. It will be nice if he can get back on the forum again.

We look forward to his words of wisdom!

The Chicago Land guys'

Andy & Arnie

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Steve:

I hope your report also somehow makes it to this forum, as some of us do not have facebook!

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Dan: Thanks for the pictures. My computer does not allow me to blow up the picture and see the pin striping. It gets to fuzzy. Your second picture with the vehicle with the front seat cover shows how the pin striping starts at the front of the front door after the bead. I assume the striping on the ...

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Mike: Thanks for your rapid reply. I also have seen some open vehicles which appear to be original with pin striping. In fact I think I have seen I think a Gunmetal Blue 1927 touring (late in production) with striping in person, but the color of the strip was hard to determine and most of the pin st...

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Does anyone have a picture of the 15 million Model T Ford touring before it was repainted? As far as I can tell the current repaint does not have pin striping. I ask this because most literature states that the open cars were not pinstriped. Yet a later piece of literature shows open cars, perhaps l...

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Steve:

We are glad to see a posting by you!

That indicates you are getting better.

Good for you and we hope you keep on improving!

Andy & Arnie

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Dave: Thanks for the update. Some of us do not have the fancy modern computer communication stuff! We hope Steve continues with his improvement. We hope he enjoys the warmer weather in CA. Think Henry Ford called his 1926/1927 vehicles the improved cars! Is Steve going to become the younger improved...

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Steve:

Good to see you in a Model T Ford. It warmed both of our hearts to see you sitting in a Model T Ford. We both hope to see your continued progress.

Two Chicago land Model T Ford guys,

Andy & Arnie

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Steve:

It is so good to see you back on the MTFCA forum. As one of my friends says "take it slow and easy" and we pray for your continued improvement.

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Thank you Mark for keeping us updated.

Many of us do not use Facebook including me!

Robert, if Steve gets to reading the Model T "stuff" on his computer, please make sure he gives the therapy people time, during the day, to work with him to insure a "quicker" recovery!

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Robert: Thanks for all you are doing for Steve! Steve: We hope you can enjoy all the postings about you. You seem to have a wide range of fiends all over the world! We all look forward to a day when you will be posting your "Words of Wisdom" again. Andy and Arnie P.S. Andy lives in the Chicagoland a...

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I do not know if the library is open to the public. Please check before making a trip to the Library.

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Dallas, thank you for practicing the golden rule: "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you", by storing Steve's stuff. It is gratifying to see Model T people helping other Model T people in need. I hope and pray that Steve has a full recovery and will be able to continue his journeys throu...

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It is my understanding that 1926 wheels were made by Ford, Kelsey and Hayes for 30 x 3 1/2 tires. Can one mix and match between all three steel rims and all three wooden wheels? In other words can a Ford rim be put on a Kelsey wheel or Hayes wheel? The wheels seem to have a different prefix numbers ...

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Bruce: Thanks for posting that rear split bumper photo. With regard to engine/transmission assemblies: I believe Ford stamped the engine number on completed engine/transmission combinations, after assembly of the engine/transmission. However the actual vehicle may or may not have been built on the d...

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I forgot to mention that the Fordex for 1926 (not a Ford publication) showed a runabout with a full width bumper in the rear. The Feb 1926 service bulletin shows a procedure for mounting the bumpers, but it appears that procedure would be used only for full width bumpers. I base this on the way they...

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Do you know if your dad's model T was made in Canada or Australia? I am trying to determine if runabouts and coupes made in the USA may have or may not have come with bumperettes in the rear! This has not been clear to me for many years. I believe I have seen drawing advertisements with a full rear ...

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I found the picture that shows some bumper on a 1927 Coupe. The title is "1927 Model T Coupe Restoration." Perhaps Bruce from Ames, Iowa can tell us if the rear bumper on his car goes all the way across or is a split rear bumper. A picture of the rear bumper and brackets would give us more informati...

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Does anyone know if the improved vehicles (1926/1927) bumper option had both a split bumper and full bumper for the rear? It appears to me that the touring had a full bumper like the front. However, perhaps the coupes and runabouts had bumperettes, that is two end bumpers with the spare tire between...

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Thanks for the update!

Glad to hear he made it home safely!

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Please explain the background where that picture was taken. Was it at the OCF? It almost looks like a cemetery to me!

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P. S. I hope everything is fine with you guys and you have a safe trip without breakdown going home!

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Mike: Thank you for your explanation. However I do not understand the x or time axis. If each division is .001 seconds, the normal one took about .0095 seconds to build up to max current while the shorted to ground spark plug took about .0092 seconds to reach double the amperage. Am I reading the tr...

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Mike:

It is my understanding if one has two large of a gap in the spark plug, one puts the ignition coil under a stressful condition.

Please explain how the primary circuit in the ignition coil is "harmed" by shorting the plug to ground.

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I believe the gunmetal blue may have had a "greenish" tint to it, but not like the green shown in your picture. However, I am red/green color blind, so I may see color differently than you. There was some talk about the metal panel behind the front back rest had an inverted "U" stamped in it for the...

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Was Channel Green only offered in the enamel type of paint? The reason I ask, if the 1927 model year vehicles only used Pyroxylin type finishes was Channel Green offered in Pyroxylin? Or did Henry Ford use both Enamel and Pyroxylin finishes for the bodies in the 1927 model year also? If I read this ...

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Lloyd:

Glade to hear your are in recovery mode! Thank God for answering prayers. Hope you get back to enjoying the Model T world this summer if the Covid-19 situation gets under control.

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Yes, even though I have never met original Smith, I admire him for sticking to data which can be backed up by Ford Motor Company. There are many things that do not seem to be documented in the parts list, but the Bentsen Ford Library has information on changes. The later style flip top jack is an ex...

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Ken: Thanks for posting your rear bumpers and rear bumper brackets. Do you know if the center part that clamps the both side bumpers together is original or not? Can anyone comment on if the rear bumper brackets are the original Ford design. The reason I ask is that the original Ford front bumper br...

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Tim:
Thanks for providing that information. We learn something new everyday!

The picture with the bumperettes also appears to have a tail light/stop light that might be different than the one used in the United States!

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Ken: Yes, if it is not to much trouble, please post some pictures of the rear split bumpers and the brackets and how they attach to the frame of the vehicle. Do you know if they are original, and have you seen other Model T Ford coupes/runabouts with the same configuration as you have? Thanks, Dan f...

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I am told that the later improved runabouts and coupes came with split bumpers. In the book Model T Ford by Bruce McCalley on page 375 there is a fordor with bumpers front and rear. On page 376 there is a tudor with bumpers front and rear. On page 377 there is a coupe with bumpers front and rear. On...

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Does anyone have any information on a water pump made for Model T Fords with the name Rotoflow? It was made by Ringleader Company in Richmond, IN.

Thanks,

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Tom: Perhaps the 15,000,000 Model T Touring which is a 1927 may have the information on the rear bow that you need. That vehicle, to the best of my knowledge is at the Henry Ford. Perhaps the 1926 runabout and the 1927 touring have similar rear bows with the fastener you are interested in. I believe...

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Dan: I do not want to be difficult, but want to make sure the records are correct. Your statement: "And the model T production, the figures all represent model T engine #'s, and that is the basis for the running total to 15 million for the "final" fanfare touring that was proclaimed", makes me think...

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I have a question with regards to the 5 Millionth Model T. The nomenclature on the door says 5 millionth Ford. Is it possible that this is not the 5 millionth Model T but the 5 millionth Ford? Also with regards to the 15 millionth Ford that was a 1927 touring, it says 15th million Ford on the side, ...

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Further research seems to indicate that the pins were not tapered. Perhaps the MTFCA transmission booklet information needs to be revisited!

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Yes there are differences in the roadster doors. The four holes in the inside metal panel are a different size, and the hole for the side curtain rod was changed to eliminate a bushing, and the door latch was changed. Also the hinge mounting area was changed. So in summary yes there were some change...

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MTFCA transmission booklet on page 16, Figure 13, states "Standard triple gear pin diameters are as follows: bushing segment is .675, press fit segment, .680, tapered head .697-.689. In that same booklet in the paragraph titled Triple Gear Pins, it states: "The magnets directly behind each pin must ...

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Looking at the 7th edition of the judging guidelines it appears that the high fin design was used 1909 through 1912. The low fin design used after that. The guidelines do not mention polished surface for years 1910 and 1916. Is this an oversite in the judging guidelines or did Ford not polish the ra...

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Henry Lee: Thank you for your response. I reviewed my post and should have said: If the iron and carbon are drawn into the copper wire and it reduces resistance of the wire that would not increase current flow. If the copper wire increased in resistance like a connection that was corroded that could...

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Henry Lee: I do not understand about "where iron and carbon are drawn into the copper wire which in turn makes a resistor out of it. Heavy current loads begin and so on." What I do not understand is if it makes the copper wire more of a resistor less current would flow. Now if the iron and copper ar...

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The front floor boards seem to have a clip to hold the two boards ends that have the slots for the pedals. That would indicate to me it must be a later body. I believe the Fordor also included a green color from the factory.

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Yes, I should have said article about Tom Garnegie. I will try to remember this in any future posts! I do not have the magazine (after all most Model T folk are "frugal")! I saw the article when at a book store. It is on page 118 which is near the end of the magazine. I guess the magazine company wa...

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American Car Collector Magazine, Nov/Dec 2019 has a nice article about Tom Carnegie!

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Larry: The distance between the bottom of the tire and the lower part of the beam front axle near the wheel determines the retracted jack height needed to jack up the wheel. Unless I am missing something the front spring arc or number of leaves etc. has nothing to do with the jack height required to...

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Larry, the parts books do not list a flip top jack. However, the library has pictures of a flip top jack assembly with a "T" number. Since the flip top jack was produced that looks like the print/pictures I take it on faith that the parts book was not changed, but a flip top jack was used in 1926, 1...

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I believe that there were three "types" of jacks used for the Model T Ford passenger vehicles. The first type had a screw type mechanism with an attached handle. The second type had a pressed steel outer housing with a ratchet and separate handle. The third type had a pressed steel outer housing wit...

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Perhaps I missed it, but there was an earlier version that had a worm and screw to rotate the eccentric. I think there was breakage problems with it and Ford came out with this second design that is shown in your drawing that was more robust in terms of less breakage. Like others have said, you do n...

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I would like to know if the body shown is a roadster or roadster pick-up. If one looks at an area in back of the round wood post holding the body at an angle (a couple of feet back) there is a hole in the subrail. I believe this is for one of the rear fender fasteners. There is another "bun panel" w...

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Scott: With regards to Fords gas line securing champ, is that also for the 26/27 vehicles with the fuel tank in the cowl? I currently do not have any securing clamp for the fuel line and want to know if I should have one and where! Or are you talking about only vehicles with the gas tanks under the ...

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Thanks guys.

My memory is going as it was in the 2017 forum not the 2018 forum. That was the exact pictures I was looking for. Now to take the time to study them and try to better understand how the armature is wired. Very seldom do I see such great pictures of the armature.

Thanks again

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Back in the 2018 forum, I thought there was a good description of how the wires were placed on the armature. I tried to locate it for educational purposes but could not find it on the old forum. Does anyone know the date and time of the posted pictures.

Thanks

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