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  • FS Babbitt and Tinting Solder
    by Henry K. Lee » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:12 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Lunchtime
    by Dollisdad » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:08 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Starter Jam
    by Monty 98 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:22 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 1916 steering column for sale
    by KMcoldcars » Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:48 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • 1911 Ford Touring For Sale
    by Dgpoff » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:10 pm » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • 1915 steering column for sale
    by KMcoldcars » Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:53 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • script Ford used floormat
    by frontyboy » Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:49 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • MY 1924 coupe and experiences as a new driver/owner
    by WillyR » Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:45 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • FS 1915 roadster
    by Perry Goble » Wed Apr 23, 2025 10:47 am » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • If you need 30x3 tires with sawtooth tread you may want to check this link Coker tire
    by JTT3 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:48 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 1924 roadster project LAST UPDATE
    by Karl Von Neumann » Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:57 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • WTB windshield 22 Touring
    by 1925 Touring » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:56 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • For Sale: Gas & Spark Rod Swivel Assortment
    by Ed Fuller » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:33 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS new and very good used Ruckstell parts
    by KimDobbins » Tue Apr 22, 2025 4:37 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Luray 2025
    by Model-T-Medic » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:13 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • For Sale: Period Aftermarket Accessory Steering Stops
    by Ed Fuller » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:39 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Silver solder fabrication of a carburetor part
    by Scott_Conger » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:16 pm » in OT - Off topic
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  • Loading The Trailer for Luray
    by sweet23 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:30 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • top bow socket question
    by Art Ebeling » Wed Apr 23, 2025 2:50 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 1915 steering column value
    by KMcoldcars » Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:46 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Does anyone know Curt Austin, vehicle restoration.
    by Pep C Strebeck » Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:34 pm » in OT - Off topic
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  • LED Headlight bulbs - FINALLY some decent ones
    by AdminJeff » Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:54 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • closed cab stamped steel door key question
    by WillyR » Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:19 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Minnesota Swapmeet April 19
    by BobP » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:40 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • FS Hand Crank Siren
    by ThreePedalTapDancer » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:17 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS - 1927 "Green Thunderbolt" Fordor
    by Gen3AntiqueAuto » Wed Apr 23, 2025 10:53 am » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • Stewart Model 100 speedometer adjustment.
    by Steve Jelf » Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:34 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • F/S: Coil Tester
    by jethro » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:32 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Ford Dealer Ledgers - things learned
    by Rob » Wed Apr 23, 2025 1:57 pm » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • WTB: 11 tooth Splined Pinion Gear,…
    by George House » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:24 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS - .015 single lock lifters - Pending
    by t-time » Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:56 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Service Available.
    by Gen3AntiqueAuto » Wed Apr 23, 2025 10:47 am » in Services
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  • Wanted Carbide Generator Basket
    by Tbird » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:45 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Timing Cover Alignment Tool
    by BRENT in 10-uh-C » Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:29 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 1923 Car, Coil Box Rebuild
    by KurtM » Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:04 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Tire Prices
    by ThreePedalTapDancer » Wed Apr 02, 2025 6:24 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Oil pump pressure
    by KWTownsend » Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:00 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Brass Steering Wheel FS
    by steven.newman1910 » Fri Mar 28, 2025 10:13 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FOR SALE 1909-10 One piece spindles
    by Burlingtontguy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:47 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • fun products coil tester wtb
    by 23ford » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:41 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Looks like a T key, almost...
    by cwlittle » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:49 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • F/S: Kingston Coil Box for two cylinder car ***SOLD***
    by jethro » Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:54 pm » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • Kingston Coil Box for two cylinder car ***SOLD***
    by jethro » Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:50 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • For Sale: early 1928 Model A Roadster
    by jethro » Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:30 pm » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • F/S: Hyatt Roller Bearings for Rear End - SOLD
    by jethro » Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:24 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS: 1914 Engine
    by jethro » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:18 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • model T ebay
    by bobt » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:14 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Right off the showroom floor.
    by Dollisdad » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:06 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Need Help with the Battery and Box
    by NBD925 » Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:30 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Ford Liftee #2
    by EdVaughn » Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:02 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • WTB: 1912 Front fender iron
    by michaelb2296 » Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:19 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Looking for a needle in a haystack
    by Grntea » Mon Mar 24, 2025 1:10 am » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • 1909 Carb for sale
    by John W » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:15 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Stromberg RF and LF Carburetors
    by Bruce Compton » Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:20 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Black Steering Wheel FS
    by steven.newman1910 » Fri Mar 28, 2025 10:10 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • F/S: Ruckstall Shift Rod Support
    by jethro » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:27 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • F/S: Starter Switch
    by jethro » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:23 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS-new muffler
    by love2T's » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:02 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Metal Battery Box and Wood Battery Box
    by NBD925 » Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:22 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Source of Schraeder 724/725 sized metal stems
    by dykker5502 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:54 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • THE 2025 BAKERSFIELD SWAP MEET - 4/22 UPDATE at end of thread - Registration Form
    by NorthSouth » Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:40 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • FS Coils Lot
    by mklooksup » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:21 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Any idea what these are?
    by love2T's » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:52 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Where it all began: The Selden Patent suit begins - 1903.
    by Rob » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:56 am » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • FS- steering stabilizer
    by love2T's » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:57 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • FS--2 HEADS
    by love2T's » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:49 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Piquette grant has been cancelled
    by DHort » Sat Apr 05, 2025 3:24 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • F/S Fire Truck price lowered
    by Craig Leach » Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:17 am » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • WTB Trailer Hitch for 22 Center Door
    by colonelpowers » Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:14 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • For Sale: Wards Riverside Piston Rings & Box
    by Ed Fuller » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:38 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • PSA 26/27 WIRE WHEEL LUG NUTS (UPDATE)!
    by Mark Chaffin » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:41 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Leak Proofing a T engine and Transmission
    by ModelTWoods » Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:55 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • WTB Forged Radius Rod Cap
    by SurveyKing » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:12 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • I thought we could make it.
    by Dollisdad » Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:03 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Parts Grab Bag / Box PENDING PAYMENT
    by modeltbarn » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:48 am » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • For Sale 1913 Touring **SOLD and Picked-up**
    by jethro » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:22 pm » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • Happy Easter to all of you.
    by Dollisdad » Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:28 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • FS- Schrader pressure gauges & glass cleaner SOLD
    by t-time » Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:30 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • 1907 Model T
    by Rob » Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:08 pm » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • Harry Houdini buys a Ford
    by Rob » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:38 pm » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • tool box
    by Melba Nolan » Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:08 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • wheel
    by Melba Nolan » Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:44 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • New tool may Reproduce. Trans reamer
    by Dan Hatch » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:46 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 8 volt
    by JoeG48 » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:12 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Ford and the Thomas Flyer
    by hull 433 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:41 am » in Early Ford Forum - pre-T
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  • For Sale 1909 - 10 Timer
    by W Austen » Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:05 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • FS 1909 - 10 Timer
    by W Austen » Sun Apr 20, 2025 3:10 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Wanted older restored open cars
    by FATMAN » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:47 pm » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • Mystery Crankshaft
    by Mark Chaffin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:10 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • WTB APCO spring loaded accessory located - thanks everyone - thanks MTFCA
    by Scott_Conger » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:34 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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  • Server Status
    by RajoRacer » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:08 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Cool Centennial 100 yr Badge
    by Kenny Edmondson » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:35 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Started on paint.
    by Dollisdad » Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:24 am » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Trying to level my frame
    by 36mike » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:39 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • 1908 Ford Model S Roadster Sold
    by KimDobbins » Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:44 pm » in Classifieds - Vehicles
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  • 1913 KW Coilboxes
    by Original Smith » Sat Apr 19, 2025 1:10 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • NATIONWIDE SINGLE CAR TRANSPORT, OPEN OR ENCLOSED
    by Bills Auto Works » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:32 am » in Services
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  • Modern Driveshaft spool bearing assembly
    by Bryant » Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:22 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Daisy Mae's rear axle
    by Daisy Mae » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:56 pm » in General Discussion Forum
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  • Neville brand Fatman steering wheel F/S
    by Layden Butler » Fri Jan 03, 2025 4:06 pm » in Classifieds - Parts
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