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Wayne Sheldon

John, you can thank the HCCA for that, as you had to have a "pre-1916" vehicle to belong, and to do so, a LOT of post 15 cars got "converted, the T especially as it was the easiest to do so. I'm guilty of that. My dad (bless his soul) was a HCCA National President, but the car he used for his affil...

Wayne Sheldon

In fact, when I turn the ignition on, I have yet to hear a buzz. Once it starts turning over on the starter, it will make all four coils buzz and she starts up easily. And, not only do I not get an immediate buzz when the ignition is switched on, with the timing in full retard, I can move the timin...

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you Allan B for the clarification!

Wayne Sheldon

A great bunch of photos indeed! George points out the new "improved" model in the first photo with the "natural" finished wheels! Great spotting of a known but unusual option. It is a 1926 (no headlamp cross bar), and has a neat set of wind wings also. Pictures two and three appear to be an Australi...

Wayne Sheldon

Canadian export to New Zealand? Canadian non-demountable wheels used the same 30 X 3 1/2 on all four wheels. Unlike USA production.

Great to see you posting Steve J!

Wayne Sheldon

The more I look at that third photo? (The one of the 1915/'16 with gas headlamps?) The more I think the fenders may be after-market ones. Peerless Metal Products and Ames both made something similar to that to update the old flat fender Ford! Another bunch of wonderful Ford photos! Thank you Tom R! ...

Wayne Sheldon

The vertical ones are likely polished brass, and are acetylene generators. Although 1913 and 1914 generators were steel, painted black. Different chambers inside hold carbide, water, and waste. Water drips onto the carbide, which then turns into acetylene gas at low pressure, which then goes through...

Wayne Sheldon

And speaking of interesting? Picture number three is an interesting mix of years, updates and "down" dates? The car is very apparently a 1915 or 1916, with the brass radiator covered by an after-market updated shell and tapered hood. Often, but not always, that update would keep the 1915 style flat ...

Wayne Sheldon

It is just so interesting how they got the fellow way back lined up perfectly to appear standing on the rear fender. The infinite range lensing of the relatively cheap camera (no distance focusing!) helped. One of the more famous of the great silent classic movies was "Ben Hur" (1925 if I recall cor...

Wayne Sheldon

The original era cloth/canvas/felt liners I have seen were well made, formed to fit the compound curvature inside the tire, and far superior to any rubber flaps I have ever seen. The 1927 Paige my dad bought over fifty years ago had several original tire liners in its wheels. I still have them, some...

Wayne Sheldon

The last photo is a late 1917. It has the 1915 through 1917 model year's horn button, but the offset windshield hinges introduced mid model year 1917. Cannot see the top's rear window/light which could possibly pin it down to a month or two closer. Era photos seem to indicate that the tombstone rear...

Wayne Sheldon

Jerry, That is part of the problem. In a past discussion it was argued that the tube had pulled out of the casting, But I can't reconcile that in what I can see. I did (a few years ago) try to triangulate the axle tubes from side to side to determine the length of tube remaining with the backing pla...

Wayne Sheldon

I don't think that car is a Buick. Radiator shell doesn't look quite right for them. I lean more toward a Willys Knight.

Wayne Sheldon

IF (the big IF?) the housing tube cracked first? The rear end would have had to sag somewhat to stress the axle enough to cause a break. Doing so would have opened the crack slightly, certainly enough that the majority of the oil inside would have leaked out before the ultimate failure. I am not abs...

Wayne Sheldon

The Richfield Mission Garage is almost certainly in California, somewhere. I wish I knew where? "Mission", whether "rd", "hwy", or "blvd", is a very common road or highway name from the Mexican border to well North of San Francisco. There was a "Mission Blvd" that ran from South of San Jose to Downt...

Wayne Sheldon

Wayne, you missed an obvious Canadian detail. Ford in Canada produced cars for the RHD market in the British Empire. Hence there is a left hand side front door for cars used in RHD countries and a Canadian province or two. Canadian tourers had four doors. Like a previous poster, I have never seen f...

Wayne Sheldon

Is this something the Canadian built Ts are notorious for? It is of course a Canadian T, somewhere between late 1917 and 1920. "Late" 1917 because it has the three-light rear curtain (early 1917s still had the "tombstone" rear curtain?) and the offset windshield hinges changed to in mid 1917 (if Can...

Wayne Sheldon

In the model T era, plywood was rarely ever used for speedster flooring. It was not widely available (if at all?) in thick enough or large enough pieces. Methods of construction varied from one builder to another, but what I have seen a few of still in original bodies was nice long grain wooden boar...

Wayne Sheldon

Ford factory never supplied step plates for model Ts. While many other automakers provided step plates for their cars, sometimes as standard equipment, often factory of dealer installed options, All step plates for model Ts were after-market accessories. And, quite frankly, they were not very popula...

Wayne Sheldon

Downieville California. Among the better known of California's early goldrush towns, is today a quaint historic town popular with visitors, in spite of the fact it is miles from any major town. The little town can become quite crowded during any of their many annual shows and festivals. One of the t...

Wayne Sheldon

Look like Dunn counterweights on the crankshaft. Or likely reproductions made sometime in the 1960s or since. They were originally produced in the 1920s, and fit only the earlier style "diamond" throw crankshafts. Later, the design was altered to fit the rectangular throws of the 1925 and later cran...

Wayne Sheldon

I remember when google used to try to answer questions. But I got nowhere trying to find the answer I cannot quite remember. I have seen that logo before, and it has been discussed here in the past, so someone smarter than I should know it. Somehow, I think the "P" stands for "Parrish" or something ...

Wayne Sheldon

Absolutely fantastic! The shock absorbers appear to be H&D type. I had a good set of true H&D shock absorbers a long time ago. But I sold them when I needed some money for one of my restorations. Always regretted selling them, but I took them to a swap meet and put a high price on them and someone w...

Wayne Sheldon

Wonderful to see you posting here again Mr. Jelf! And right you are. The Edison 13 is a somewhat larger plug and requires a larger than standard T plug wrench. However its most important distinction is that the base is a dual fire. Whether dual fire has any real advantage or not is still debated. Al...

Wayne Sheldon

Cadillac used that same design on many of their cars in the 1910s. If I recall correctly? It was called something like a "platform" spring/sprung.

Wayne Sheldon

Forgot to mention, Equally important is the flux. My local weld shop also provided me with Harris brand flux and I believe it made a difference. Been so long since I have done silver solder, that I was going to ask about flux for it. What is a good flux for it? I have several kinds, but some of wha...

Wayne Sheldon

Photo number 14, the dirty 1915 touring car, has an unusual after-market radiator.

Wayne Sheldon

Dennis P, Your transmission looks like a car unit. They can be a bit confusing looking at photos knowing whether they are a three speed U-D-O unit or a two speed direct and one other gear unit. Most of the ones I had with the three speed (3X2=6) had a bulge for the additional gearing that I do not s...

Wayne Sheldon

What year did the car number cease? The factory stopped putting the "car" number on the brass firewall plate early in the 1915 model production. Since 1915 "model" production for open cars started late, probably mid to late spring of 1915. The brass plates continued to have a place for the "car num...

Wayne Sheldon

One of my all-time favorite T dealership photos! (Now nicely colorized) The folding top couplet and the pickup are both very new, which makes both of them quite rare for different reasons. The couplet was only built in the 1917 style for a couple months. Therefore, they were rare then and even more ...

Wayne Sheldon

Sounds like your dad married a psychopath. It happens when men have been married along time and they loose their spouse.they can't handle being alone and that is the when the witches come in that know how to take advantage of the situation to the fullest. strange why you were removed from the museu...

Wayne Sheldon

I have an idea that has not been proven but just a thought. I have had a "paintless dent removal" done to several dents on my original 1988 Mustang 5.0. I was amazed with the result. If in this case of the radiator, would it be possible to open a one inch hole in the back of the tank so the rods us...

Wayne Sheldon

John K, Years ago, I did the four-door sedan body on my 1927 Paige that way! Pay very close attention to blocking and balance, and one person with jacks and levers and a lot of blocks or saw horses can move a mountain!

Wayne Sheldon

I am going to step on a few toes here. One does not really "remove" the top tank from a brass era radiator. One must "disassemble" the top tank from the radiator. And when putting it back on, again it is assembled onto the radiator. First off, and last on is the back piece (under the hood) or panel ...

Wayne Sheldon

I don't have any actual figures? But how accurate a figure do you need? With or without upholstery? Shipping? Lifting? A few years ago working on my re-wooded and mostly restored 1915 runabout, without turtle deck, I stood in the middle of the body (where the gasoline tank goes), and with my two han...

Wayne Sheldon

Sadly, the wheel you are looking for is very hard to find. The rounded spokes were a progression from thinner ovals to thicker ovals, and didn't become round until about 1914. So the round spokes were used for a few years, and they were high production years relative to the earlier brass cars. But a...

Wayne Sheldon

Hey there Rich and Rich! You think the red wall and gray tread is snazzy looking? You should see the green wall on white tread! A private collector (who prefers to remain anonymous) that I have known for thirty years has one on his shop wall. Such colorful tires were manufactured and sold from the e...

Wayne Sheldon

A too much forgotten bit of automotive history!
Good luck! I do hope you can find and get one of those tires.

Wayne Sheldon

Car appears to have a horn bulb on the drivers non-door, and black trim on the lamps. So likely a mid to late 1915. Electric horns began showing up on open cars about early June (I think?) 1915, black trim lamps during July 1915, but some cars still got bulb horns as late as probably September of 19...

Wayne Sheldon

Forward thinking people began working toward self propelled vehicles before 1800. It took most of a hundred years just to figure out what some of the possibilities were. For half a century, steam was the only really viable means to power and propel a vehicle, and dozens of vehicles were built over m...

Wayne Sheldon

Well, that sort of worked. It appears that all three links can be followed to all three of the photos. This next one is of a small area of the town of Falk. It shows some larger buildings, and some of the lumber stacks being readied to be shipped out. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10667623311...

Wayne Sheldon

Well, let us see. I usually avoid Facebook, but in many ways Linda is smarter than I am, so with her help, maybe I can post links to the photos. I doubt that a link to the general thread site will work as access to it is limited. Falk camp nine was a short distance from the main town of Falk. Camp n...

Wayne Sheldon

Allan's first point is spot on!

But a question. Are these earlier wood felloe non-demountable wheels? Or are these later steel felloe demountable wheels. Makes a big difference in how the wheels need to be worked with, and potential problems that may need to be looked for.

Wayne Sheldon

My wife, Linda, recently posted a number of photographs on a Facebook group devoted to photographs and history of Humboldt County in Northern California. I just want to share how proud I am of her and her accomplishment. Given the narrow focus of the group, it amazed me that in less than four days, ...

Wayne Sheldon

I believe the photo is reversed and is actually a Canadian production RHD. Notice the button on the woman's coat and the strap for the crank handle. I am sure you are right! The front tires appear to be 30 X3 1/2, and that would explain the horn bulb mounting location (Canadian cars the door was in...

Wayne Sheldon

Sadly, way too many "hobbyists" over the past seventy years did not appreciate the history behind their hobby. Over the years, I have seen quite a few of the colorful tires made and sold during the 1910s, and even into the early 1920s. It was an odd flirtation of marketing that sadly does not really...

Wayne Sheldon

A lot of more expensive automobiles had dash mounted clocks , sometimes as part of the standard equipment, sometimes as a factory option. Sometimes, some automakers, would have their name put on the factory authorized clocks. Often they did not. Most dash mounted automobile clocks were sold after-ma...

Wayne Sheldon

That is going to be a good looker!

Wayne Sheldon

They are out there. Interesting to see another set of these odd fenders. They could have been a late 1910s or 1920s after-market replacement fender (set?). But I don't think the old fashion flat top fenders were very popular as an after-market item. Junk yards were usually available to replace accid...

Wayne Sheldon

FAN-dang-TASTIC!
Looks like Steve has let his hair out a bit. Certainly wonderful to see him out and about a bit.

Thank you Kim D and Larry S for visiting with and helping our friend.

Wayne Sheldon

They both look to be tail lamps. One appears to be a Ford-O late oil taillamp, while the other is a typical 1918 to mid 1920s taillamp. Hard to tell from the photos. Can't make out the colors of the glass. Glass in either case may have been replaced at some time however. These type sidelamps from th...

Wayne Sheldon

Hey there Mack Cole! I recently had a problem with a broken valve stem for my 1927 Paige. Looking for a quick easy fix I tried to use new valve stem extensions like I had used some years ago. Nothing I could get locally would work. What I used years ago allowed me to remove the valve core from the i...

Wayne Sheldon

Looks like you are heading in a good direction! Even if you hide a stock engine under that long hood, it would be a great speedster and a lot of fun! It is a personal thing with me. I like to see earlier engines in early looking speedsters. And I tend to prefer them kept closer to their apparent era...

Wayne Sheldon

Weld shrinkage is the best trick to remove the outer bearing race from a hun. And it might very well work to remove the inner race from a spindle, or not. The "shrinkage" from an arc weld bead on the inner bearing cone could actually make the race more difficult remove by making it more tight on the...

Wayne Sheldon

Quick simple answer? Yes, the roller bearing race must be removed from the spindle. Removing said bearing race from the spindle is often difficult, especially if your spindle is the earlier type without the "flats" for a bearing puller to get behind the race and get ahold of it. So that begs the fir...

Wayne Sheldon

I have never had a overhead set up so this may sound dumb but can you turn the manifold over & put a elbow on it to point the exhaust down? All of the pics I found of that exhaust manifold do not have plugs on that side. It's a 8 plug head? Can you run it on 7 plugs? a Harley-Davidson crank case ti...

Wayne Sheldon

I am pleased to see that this is still around. When I was getting into this hobby back around 1970, I heard stories about the car, and its owner at that time. I don't believe I was ever anywhere near the car, or its owner, but might have been. I never knew the whole story about it, but did know it h...

Wayne Sheldon

Red on old car wheels was a sort of a fad for awhile way back in the hobby. Just another of those silly things that got in the way of presenting early automobiles how they actually were in their day. No big deal. Just repaint them more or less appropriately. While an actual zinc plating or hot dip g...

Wayne Sheldon

Saddened to hear this. But as Susanne said, keep fighting it, and keep doing things you enjoy for as long as you can! Attitude is very important. I have known quite a few people that went longer, sometimes much longer, than their doctors said they could. Often, the more they kept doing what they enj...

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you for the kind words George M! I tend to be opinionated and outspoken, often opposing "prevailing opinions". History, and our beloved model Ts are one of my refuges where I enjoy going and doing research. You mentioned the "truck" front fenders without one of beads running under the side apr...

Wayne Sheldon

Wow! Thank you for digging that up Bob C!

Wayne Sheldon

Thank you (I think?) for that link Bob C! However, reading some of the "discussion" of that photo was downright painful! Really sad how so many people today seem to be driven to prove to the world how STUPID they are (And STUPID is WHAT they are!). They have no idea whatsoever they are looking at, y...

Wayne Sheldon

So many aspects to model T history! How Ford built them. How many Ford built differently. The standard view of model year changes. And the oh-so many model Ts that were done differently due to running changes during production! After-market accessories add a whole another dimension to all automobile...

Wayne Sheldon

That shop photo (number nine) is very interesting, and I have seen it before. I don't know the actual history behind it myself, whether a Chevrolet or Ford dealership, or just a general repair facility, I don't know. I would like to know where the place was located. The 1924/'25 Ford coupe nearby ha...

Wayne Sheldon

Already found I either have the wrong fenders or splash aprons or it's totally normal LOL. A lot of things with model T Fords become a moving target. Your side/splash aprons may be one of them. Like a lot of long-timers in this hobby, I was fortunate to meet and have several discussions with Bruce ...

Wayne Sheldon

John Warren wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:37 pm
Speedster fenders?

Why not?
I certainly would not throw them out. If they were mine? And I had an "appropriate" project? I sure would use them. I think I would like to use them on a 1912 T. Drive the purists crazy.

Wayne Sheldon

Probably 1950s or 1960s reproduction fenders. Maybe predating Rootlieb's taking over that business. Some of the other reproduction sheet metal vendors were not as conscientious and detail oriented as the Rootlieb family. We as hobbyists were very fortunate to have them take on the task of making rep...

Wayne Sheldon

Any chance they could be tractor? They have a really short wheelbase, requiring a sharper angle for the steering arms. Model T spindle arms are not cast iron. They are steel, probably drop forgings. They can be bent cold or hot, and even welded without much trouble. I have straightened several wreck...

Wayne Sheldon

They actually used a couple different sizes on tanks intended for different automobiles. So, it is possible that your tank may be different. I know that Buick for a few years used a size for the fuel inlet that was different than most Stewart vacuum tanks. It required a special donut shaped end on t...

Wayne Sheldon

Someone posted a 1920s running board mount camping tent setup on the AACA classifieds.
I know nothing about it except it is said to be in Connecticut and must be picked up.

https://forums.aaca.org/topic/408781-ru ... nt-2624663

Wayne Sheldon

Not so much that you can climb hills with a Ruckstell that you cannot climb without it. However, it is that you can climb a lot of hills more easily in Ruckstell gear instead of going all the way down into Ford low band and holding it for the duration. They also tend to be easier on the engine and c...

Wayne Sheldon

Nice daughter!

Wayne Sheldon

Repeat, repeat, repeat. Canadian cast engine blocks continued to use casting dates (in the circle) several years after USA production stopped putting casting dates on the blocks. USA production stopped putting the casting date on blocks in late 1921 or early 1922. Mold and pattern markings continued...

Wayne Sheldon

Canadian front wheels through most of the brass years on through into 1919 and beyond on cars with non-demountable rim wheels? The steel rims, the wooden spokes and felloes, are all the same front and rear. Only the hubs, brake drums for the rear, and bolts (different lengths) are different. The tir...

Wayne Sheldon

Steve J, We, many of us, think of you often every day! Today being Christmas is a special time for most of us, and therefore a day upon which we reflect on many things in our lives. We think of things, and people, that help to shape us, and guide us in better directions. You are one of those wonderf...

Wayne Sheldon

I am fairly sure the touring car in picture 14 is not a Ford. Clarity isn't great, and not a lot of details of the car are shown. Details (body tub, top windows and saddles) had caught my eye. Closely looking at the blur of the rear spring, it appears to not be a Ford. Although, the more common trai...

Wayne Sheldon

Ford routinely had crossover times between model years and other changes where both earlier and later items might be used, often out of "proper" place. There are enough era photos of late 1912s with the black and brass lamps for a 1913, as well as early 1913s with the all brass versions intended for...

Wayne Sheldon

It can be a tough decision. Safety and practicality versus original era correctness. I have had a few model Ts with just a minor upgrade to the brakes. Small drum, cast iron shoes with a hard lining (I think still available from the dealers?) IF (big IF?) properly adjusted are basically adequate. Th...

Wayne Sheldon

Was not sure about the wire wheels myself but they are growing on me. I considered going back to its original wheels. What do ya'll think? For whatever it is worth? I tend to be somewhat of a traditionalist. I have spent a lot of time closely studying original era photographs, and tend to view what...

Wayne Sheldon

Dale M, Looking at the photo, the car is parked roughly parallel to the building's wall, and about fifteen to twenty feet out away from the building. The windshield is roughly perpendicular to the building in the level plane, however leaning back in the third dimension. Given the approximate distanc...

Wayne Sheldon

Joe K, You better be careful! Steve looks right at home sitting there. Steve J, I am so pleased to hear you finally on the road back to your wonderful and inspirational old self again! It was touch and go for awhile there, and a lot of us were worried we might lose you way too soon. Keep getting bet...

Wayne Sheldon

Two things I really like. Model Ts, and silent era movies. Before they began seriously building movie houses, the large screen theatres with "permanent" fantastic theatre organs (which provided background music, sound effects, and set the moods, movie viewing was a bit different. Most viewing of mov...

Wayne Sheldon

It looks to me like they are for the same side? Both "rights"?

Wayne Sheldon

There are apparently no photos extant of David D. Buick with a Buick car. I did not know that! However, I had wondered about it. I know I never knew of a photo of David D Buick in one of his namesake automobiles. He sold his interests in the company early on. If I recall correctly, in spite of the ...

Wayne Sheldon

Don't count on the color! I have taken a couple of Babbitt washers out of T rear ends that appeared to be brass colored only to poke at them and scrape the brass color off. What causes that? I am not sure, could be some type of oil used, or a contaminant of some sort. Maybe even something in the Bab...

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RajoRacer wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:28 pm
Glad to have you back Buddy !!!

How's about we lose the "accident" thread & start an "I'm Back" thread ?????

I second that!

Wayne Sheldon

So wonderful to see you posting again!

The "Shadow" knows!!

Wayne Sheldon

Several years ago, working on my runabout, it had one good original hinge needing minor repair. The other one was missing. I carried the repaired original with me to the local Ace or True Value (whichever it was at that time, they are about the same) and found the closest best thing they had to alte...

Wayne Sheldon

I keep looking in here hoping to see that you have sold this! I do not need it, cannot afford it, but there are some nice pieces there someone should want!

Bump.

Wayne Sheldon

Do double check that all four cylinders are firing with good hot spark in the correct order. I have seen it many times. Number one cylinder is correct, but two or sometimes even three of the other wires got mixed up. Firing order (unless a special cam is used?) is always cylinder one, followed by cy...

Wayne Sheldon

Norman K et al. On the other end of the spectrum, I too have had a couple Ts that only wanted the fuel mixture opened less than a quarter turn, one I really did not need to open up at all. Why some cars or carburetors want over a full turn, and others only about an eighth turn to start cold? Could b...

Wayne Sheldon

My guess would be that he isn't opening the fuel mixture enough for it to want to start? That has been an issue on most of the model Ts I have had and driven much. Most wanted at least half a turn more open to start. One, I never figured out why, but it required nearly a turn and a half more open to...

Wayne Sheldon

As no. 1 piston travels down the intake valve opens. bottom of the stroke the intake valve closes, compression builds. At TDC the coil rattles off a healthy spark to no. 1 plug. Piston goes down and the exhaust valve opens at bottom, closes at tdc when the cycle begins again for no. 1 and no. 4 spa...

Wayne Sheldon

Steve spoke highly of his family, cousins, and family reunions! Nice to see some stepping up in his time of need.

And, Steve, I just read a quick post from you on another thread! It was wonderful to see it.

Keep getting better!

W2

Wayne Sheldon

Great going Steve and friends!

Wayne Sheldon

I can't remember who? Someone about a year or so ago bought Blockley tires in two orders, only a couple days apart. Blockley combined the orders into a single shipment which on the surface should have reduced the shipping cost. However, it bumped the declared import value to over the $800 and added ...

Wayne Sheldon

It might be a bit farther than you want to go? However Erik Barrett up in Auburn CA does very good work. I know there were a couple people in the greater L.A. area that were quite popular with the Southern California folks, but I don't know their names offhand. Members of the area model T club chapt...

Wayne Sheldon

Looks like a nice one. Similar hubcaps were made and sold for model Ts by several companies. Some are rare or unusual enough that finding a match could be difficult, This one looks like one of the more common ones, and having or finding a close match shouldn't be too tough. Question. Does this one h...

Wayne Sheldon

Herb Iffrig wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 am
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Thank you Herb Iffrig for the seasonal chuckle! I am reposting it here on page two so that the gag and the comments won't be separated by page numbers. (In spite of the fact that now some comments are now shown before the gag?)
And yes, I got it the instant I saw it.

Wayne Sheldon

Is that the tail of a crashed airplane sticking up in the center background in picture 4? The cars are neat, but something seems to be going on in the background. Wow! You're right! It crashed nearly straight down through the roof right in the corner of the building. Some debris from the biplane wi...

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