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Generic re-usable cotter pins, various sizes.

Older thread on those fasteners for the top rear gypsy curtain, finding repro of originals is difficult. Most go with Lift-the Dot fabric snaps and threaded posts.

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Lang’s site listing fan belt sizes gives you the how-to for fan belt length. few cases the engine itself has been changed out for one of a year different than that of the car in question. All of these variables can make it imprecise to order a belt by the "year" of the car. The fool proof way to ord...

Blocks made by Carl E. Johansson

Ford Industries info:

You have it.

March 1920 Parts book, Sedan priming rod #4587, July 1924 Parts book, #4587, 17 11/16”

Here's the FB link to the Estate Sale site, with photos of some of the parts, as explained, the family would like have it continue as a side business to any model T person, like a one-man shop. Price is I think a rather low $15k for all the patterns and inventory worth $30K>. Hope someone goes for ...

Did the rod go over or under the lower radiator hose. Correctly, goes under. But not the hose , the timer rod should go under the 3939 Outlet Connection Pipe. Note the lower of the two short hoses needs to be factory length of 2 3/4", some of the repros are cut a tad longer and will interfere with ...

2nd set of pics, that sedan with 1929 license plate, shows off pancake Hassler shocks……but was more shocked by who is driving

Nice work Corey Bought the little Caswell kit for nickel to do plating on dust covers. Caswell set up.JPG Choose covers with some remaining old nickel on them, and used the kit to re-plate back to shiny nickel. Here is the before: before.JPG Parts were scrubbed clean first with lacquer thinner to g...

Professor Fate wrote: ↑
Fri May 26, 2023 7:31 am
How much adjustment is there in a '26-"27 fan pulley?

Rotating the adjustment lug of the '26-'27 eccentric, thru it's 180 degree range,
....raises or lowers the upper pulley approx. 1 inch.

Jim - carefully twist off the little brass piece off the tube stem then air up your tire. You need a large hex wrench to screw the adapter back into the cover. Thank you I’ll try a hex with a pair of pliers holding the stem from rotating. Here is same type repro cap for rubber stem tubes in brass. ...

Should I be feathering the shift like you do a normal car clutch? Should I be doing it briskly? Just use the Ford instructions in the owner's manual. After experience you won't use the hand lever, but throw it forward and hold the low pedal 1/2 way for neutral and begin your underway. Travel about ...

I read somewhere that "natural" wheels were a $15 option. In 1926-27 that was a lot of money. I would guess that it was rarely selected. They were no cost option, in lieu of wire wheels on the closed cars by '27 to spur sales. A set of wood wheels were only $22. The wires were more a set, so dealer...

if you can find a concrete example or memory of someone scraping paint off a Ford wheel in the early days, I'd like to add it to my list. So far, all of the Ford wheels I've seen in early photos up to 1925 are painted. I think the only time varnished wheels would be on a Ford pre-1925 would be thro...

Here is a parts list art of the 2564 hub(brake rod) clevis pin (qty. used per car 4), from the Sept 1912 Parts list. Hard to tell if the head is high dome, but Lang's catalog shows a rather high dome and regular lower dome like originals, on page 30. (2564E part #). 1912 clevis 2564.jpg Early cast e...

... perhaps the disc type hubcaps won’t gouge into the walls like traditional hubcaps might have done if a shaft became more narrow. I think you are right about that. image.png.e9b634481e5e8f107445ec16d6be6efb.png Or, perhaps for prevention of leg injury from protruding axle spindle. Very tight spa...

Steering column mount, vinyl plastic. Moisture proof. Easily read by law enforcement.

But. Haven't been pulled over ever in my Ts

Went to local car show at nearby village, taking Dixie the '27 touring. 2DEACB14-5366-475C-A503-DB42547BF841_1_201_a.jpeg Lots of mostly street rods, and customs, but one Model A, and my T. Family beside me had a curious son of 9, so I asked him if he knew anything about the early Ford and Henry. Wa...

Here is a YouTube video by Katie McDaniel, Dennis Flemming’s daughter of the 2nd day of a great 3 day tour right after the swap meet ended! Was a ton of fun! Great roads, sites, events and all Model T of course! Enjoy 5 minutes of our shared fun. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qGPRKLBQkAA&feature=share

Straight pipe will be too loud and ugly. And unlawful most places. Have run a shorty 13”-15” glass pack type open bore muffler ( resonator types) with 1 1/2” inlet and outlet, using down turn exhaust pipe tip to direct sound to the pavement underneath. Nice mellow sound that gives notice when accele...

Few more!

Here’s a few pics, lots of folks and great part selections!

1911 Ford time’s magazines have a few adds for the Buckeye jack company. They state their No. 3 jack is especially designed for Ford cars. I have one early Buckeye jack that is number 3, but it was made is Louisville, Ohio. Buckeye moved to Alliance, Ohio in the beginning of 1910. It seems all the ...

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The one I have in question is a Bevin and is steel. Much louder and heavier than the aluminum one in our 24 touring. Does anyone have any comments, good or bad, about painting the bells? A light coat of paint won’t hurt the loudness. Only dampening the vibration of the bell like abutting it to a so...

Have an older one in the 27 floorboard, it’s has steel bell housings. Makes very loud Ding-Dongs!

Here is a thread with good info:

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Well, no expert here … But reviews are good on what I carry on tour, the little Element stick. Magnet mount behind my seat back in the 27 touring, easy reach and grab. Strike it like a flare to operate, no residue but smothers fires. Last 50 seconds, way longer than a 2lb typical unit. I fired off s...

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Appears a fork style aftermarket lamp.

The lens rim is giveaway.

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Dan

That is an in the day retainer to keep grease off the rear brake shoes, mfg. by Dependable, they also made steel asbestos lined emergency brakes shoes.

Robert, true, you want the proper gap. Have always done the seat cushion first and test fit some with the loose backrest cover. In my install the spring may have been a tad high on the corners, the original photo shows what you should try for. This is the current look, after a lot of seating! Other...

Generally the backrest spring will contour to the curve of the seat back when you stretch and tack the upholstery cover. Be sure to first fit the padded hip panels to the left and right. Used three straps, one in about center and two outboard. The backrest spring corners will be up some, but judge ...

I can't speak for STIPE. I can tell you, like everything else with this current economy, material and other costs associated with manufacturing are absolutely ridiculous. This is the FaceBook post a few days ago from Bill Stipe, seems he too bit the bullet $$$ and received a stack of stock for maki...

The body of the cowl lamp has the bayonet lock with the left and right side cutaways for the wick adjusting knob shaft.

Place the font with the burner assembly so the adjusting shaft and knob exit for left or right car mount.

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Dan the larger/largest stem(s) are 12V1 threads Thanks Scott, that is what the Blockley website stated for the 'straight side' or for us Americans the clincher tire tubes they mfg. Got this off the internet: The Valve Stem Threads (external where the Nut is screwed) are known as 12V1. Major Dia. is...

This info is on the Blockley website, under tech, seems they use a metal stem that is 12mm in dia. with O.D. thread of 26tpi.? The product page on the 3 1/2" and the 3" tubes only state nickel plated metal stems, but don't give a size. Valve stem diameters and uses For most "old car" applications t...

I am just worried because I was asked to be in a parade in May that is over 3 miles long and it moves at a slow walking speed. If it turned out to be a hot day I am not sure the old girl could keep her cool at such a slow pace for so long. If your cooling is good when running, then the fan is circu...

How to use explained in 1923 Dyke's automobile encyclopedia. Use of 12v D.C. source gives stronger magnet. Short bursts only, a few seconds, otherwise the coils overheat or the battery(s) can be harmed.

Got this '25 coupe 3 years ago for $8500. Interior redone non-stock, nice body. Wasn't running when purchased, had clear title, so that was a plus. But found engine and trans issues, bad knocking, rear axle issues, so overall a bit costly afterward, but you know, it is an old Ford :lol: 61057799688_...

Won't need that steel washer with the modern alum cap.

The seal is placed deep into the body of the cap, and Hyatt face can't contact the neoprene seal.

The size, the latch and the inscription painted on that door makes it likely a rear door to a closed panel bodied truck the size for a Model T.

Inscription covers the loading weight and capactiy of the vehicle and its intended speed for licensing.

Norm gives correct info......same as can be read in the Ford Instruction Book (Owner's Manual) for the 1926-1927 Improved Car, just use the Ford supplied wire wheel wrench.

I purchased a 32" endless fan belt for my 1927 coupe. I can not get it on. I have installed a new water outlet piece as shown in the attached photo. I have the outlet piece adjusted for the shortest belt position. Comments/suggestions would be appreciated. That belt length should work. If you have ...

Yes

That is '26-'27 ammeter for the Improved Ford.

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I was thinking some one asked about this logo a while back. Anyone have knowlege of it. I found it on a small brake drum.stamped logo.jpg Thanks . Craig. May not be Transue Williams. That same mark is seen on tools too, like this hub cap wrench, since your rear hub brake drum is a steel stamping, l...

The frame marking is Parrish and Bingham. Ford supplier.

That other mark appears as Transue Williams, another supplier.

Haven’t seen issues with alum heads. Did remove once an aluminum Bergs water pump, unknown what coolant used, or what circumstance, but the water inlet of the pump was corroded away inside, likely from cavitation. But those pumps are made with low quality alum castings. The Z head is good, the Prus ...

That button head machine screw for the '26-'27 radiator apron with the 3075D spring clip/motor mount with the threaded hole is Fac. # T-8004. The size is 1/4 x 20 x 3/8" long. Some times a washer is needed under the screw if the hole in the apron is worn larger. The hogshead cover door screw is als...

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It is the 26 inlet/fan pulley mount. There is a washer between the eccentric mount and the pulley but that's to give it clearance for the pin that holds the eccentric mount and plate together. Could be the issue of the new fan pulley too far forward. The new version should need only a thin washer t...

Any T tools with "Made in USA" are Model A versions, T tools don't have that.

The Ford script should be on the upper face jaw for that adj. wrench.

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Photographic records c.1914 show the engine iron block being given a black 'wash', M-142, thin coating, (the cylinder head appears already painted at the time of the block painting in this photo), the steel crankcase appears grey without the black wash. The alum. hogshead is as cast. Engines assemb...

The main difference of the repro hose clamps and the Ford T clamp is in the 'finger' slide that compresses the clamp on the hose. The Ford design is heavier gauge metal and has robust and wide finger, and its fold over is contained on a larger part of the full clamp body. Provide best grip and compr...

Like many parts on the Ford, beginning in 1919 Ford strived to mark parts to distance from 'aftermarket' parts, that may not do the job. Even those simple parts like castle nuts got with the program!

After a long illness, Pete Ratledge of the Heart of Delaware T's has passed away. Known for his great detail of knowledge on 1911 Ford's, his always trophy award winning T was a sight to behold. Condolences to his wife, Mary and the family. He will be missed by many. 100_6151.jpg IMG_2898.jpeg

Use open end wrench to loosen the large hex lock nut with its lock washer. Hold the fan shaft tang end with smaller wrench to keep it in place. If that turns, the fan shaft gets loose in the fan pulley. Now, use a smaller wrench and spin/swing the eccentric tab to raise and lower, that tightens the ...

[/quote] I will check it again when I put the new loom on. There was an oil coating inside the timer, as you can tell by the picture of the rotor. It's hard to see the seal but I think it was a modern seal instead of felt. Apparently the plate was in upside down then, the recessed center was out, to...

Bringing T parts: Rebuilt May '23 short block(SOLD), '25 and earlier Brake rod set, 26-27 rebuilt front axle, tie rod, drag link, 26-27 nice pair rear touring doors,27 Stop/Tail light,23-25 complete open car windshield frame. Other small items. See you there!, oh....and also going on the after the s...

I assume the dished aluminum plate is meant to deflect oil that leaks from the seal on the cam shaft? The center hole is a little chewed up. Yes, the plate is std. Ford to help seal the felt washer, for the Ford roller timer , but be sure to use it with your New Day ‘forward facing’ brush. Without ...

You might try to isolate the sound by shorting out one plug at a time. Either ground at coil terminal, or at the spark plug. If sound will diminish at one plug, might check out that cylinder. Or other isolating means is to use a metal 'sounding rod' or a long heavy screwdriver with shank all the way...

Drain the radiator of all coolant. Back off hose clamps, upper and lower, so they are loose or remove them. Back off nut locking the rad. support rod, and back it out some so the upper tank can tilt away some. May have to loosen rod at fire wall depending on year. Slit the old hose all the way throu...

Lot of speculation. Would behoove someone wanting a Stipe Cam to give them a phone call. This Feb. Bill Stipe posted videos on his Facebook page of running cams, maybe a back log, or maybe not. Phone call would tell. ;) Pics from Facebook post in Feb 2023 22DFE7EB-211B-4DD8-AE24-612CEE7D4AA3.jpeg 6...

lirogo27 wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:53 pm

Dan - yours looks like a 4:1. Correct?

Good eyes

Yes, that was a new set of 4:1 gears for a ‘24 which uses 31” clincher tires.

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Dan. Can I do this without a vice or must it be in a vice?

Guess you could raise the steering post up out of the column/gear case, put vice grip clamp or fixture to keep it from moving, and then spin the gears with the pinion post…..but seems way too much effort and mess inside the T

I recall that Ford Motor Company, during the 100th Anniversary Celebration, 2003, make up booklets for certain dealerships which were some of the very first. The Jacksonville FL Ford dealer, Duval Ford, opened in 1916, and was part of the local celebration by donating, to the local museum, a 1917 t...

Ben is the Switch Master for sure! Fine Georgia guy too. If you have extra pieces you don't need, esp. good lock tumblers in a bad panel, send them to him, he always needs cores. Expect small compensation, as he likes to hold down costs to his customers, so don't throw out pieces, mail 'em to Ben. 1...

I just typed in 'lapping compound' on amazon and a tube of lapping and grinding compound came up. I did not see that 'CLOVER' was recommended by you folks before i ordered. I am hoping that the ordered tube is similar to clover. Should be ok, any fine grade lapping compound is acceptable. Just clea...

Hi Dan I’ve looked for Clover lapping compound in this area and the auto parts stores don’t seem to have it anymore. Maybe I didn’t look close enough. It was pretty common to find but seemingly not now in the last few years. I have a can of it like you have but I’ve about used it up. Bet you have h...

Those new reproduction gears and steering pinion are really nice, but spot on dimension and heat treated. Found that they sometime won't nest without a bit of 'running in', by lapping the gears. So have used a smear of valve lapping compound, and spun that new steering pinion, with the gears meshed...

Check out this earlier post: https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/708324/744251.html?1491922062 Your crank handle could have been shorten (rare) or the pan bushing is too far out keeping crank handle from reaching depth, or crank ratchet teeth worn bad, or repro crank pulleys can have too thick cen...

Ford Methods and The Ford Shops (1914, pages 346-347) states analyzes of the iron used in the T-400 cylinder blocks. Silicon 2.00; sulphur 0.06-0.08; phosphorus 0.20; manganese 0.65. Also among the listings for components in the iron castings include the T-418 pistons, and the T-4490 valve heads. T...

Have phoned before to get replacement pieces, easiest way. More and more emails can just end up in spam at busy places.

Just remember the time zone at this CA location. Call mid day for best result

Berg's is a very well built radiator, for me only real thing is it isn't Ford design tanks, and he uses an available , but good, long neck casting for the upper inlet. That part is different, and have experienced hose connections to be more difficult because that neck is smaller dia. than the Ford d...

Here is pic of a two-piece valve ground away to show with a cut-a-way engine display. Shows the steel shaft and the cast iron valve head. Likely heat formed together in perhaps an electrical method. Ford did a lot of electrical welding in many processes.

Check this earlier post, Jay Cramer has been selling plans for many years. Telephone him.

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"Damn horse....kicked my motor car off the bridge!"

Steve Variations exist on tools supplied with the T. But for a typical late 1922, which became the '1923 Model year', this photo shows many of the correct parts. Approximate tool roll for '20s'.jpg Contents of the roll would be: 2 tire irons 2340 1 pliers 1903 Ford script, but no 'USA'. 1 hub cap wr...

Don't know if some of you have seen this comic actress, who, as Philomena Cunk, a slightly dim-witted historian, who does 'mockumetary' short videos on BBC.

(Found on YouTube), this one on the Model T seems appropriate to share!

https://youtube.com/shorts/6PY2O3jdQMQ?feature=share

Here's an older post about Chev crank in T block, lots of good info:

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Ford Service Bulletin June 1924 announced the addition of windshield hand wiper and rear view mirror, so these were std. around that time for open and closed cars. accessories..jpg Later in 1926, Ford added option by dealer of a vacuum operated windshield wiper, that could be installed on open or c...

This could end up to be a longer thread than 'fitting engine pans'

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"The Ford service manual in paragraphs 23 and 24 refer to the pans as engine pan left and engine pan right. If there is any mention of the pans besides these I overlooked it. I didn’t find any reference to reinstalling them so I guess it was a non issue for Ford. If it was it would have been in the...

If your question is only on the '26 demountable in 30 x 31/2", then these were made by Haynes, and used the rims with the 4 lugs on the rim. The Kelsey wheels use the rims with a central 'clip' or 'u' shaped abutment, and slots, using detachable lugs. These brands do not interchange. Kelsey lug dia...

The early T's did feature cushion styles of the day, mostly leather, diamond pleat, stuffed with curled hair. 19909 1910 runabout .jpg Scan0718 (2).jpg And tastes changed, and Ford's volume made change also in material, and trim style. The animal hair went away, replaced with cotton flax padding, a...

Scott provided the answers, that today we only have the 'Oversize' or 'Extra Size' which in reality is the next size up clincher tire, the 31"x4". Note the the article states, straight sided tires, except the two smallest, for clincher. So only the 30" x 3 1/2" and the 31" x 4". size clinchers were...

Rather sure Henry done it

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Then Henry improved on the patent with this issue, has the transverse rear spring.

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Dale, many thanks for that explanation. Is there any chance you could post a photo if those items ? I'd be very grateful to see them. I've been intrigued by their appearance in the early photos for years. Many folks have speculated they are multiple valve stems !! (myself included) :lol: Here is on...

May be the thrust washer on that side, if the 'drag' is only brief and not a full rotational drag. A bronze thrust washer which isn't fitted perfectly flat when it was thinned down on fitting the axle gears, can cause a partial drag like sound. Seems like you checked anything the drum could rub, lik...

The side pans are great for holding tools when wrenching on them, on a hot summer day there is more heat inside the car with them on it, I very seldom see a driving, touring car with them on unless they run winter time with them. In summer time hot north FL the engine pans don't seem to increase fl...

At least a qualified resource on what Ford used in seat cushions early on are the authors of ' Ford Methods and the Ford Shop '*, the pair were highly respected engineers, and would of course used the correct terminology in this work. Animal hair was in extensive use at the time, and not withstandi...

Scott According to info from Bruce, the factory accessories were extra cost on the early cars. Base equipment is noted at the bottom of this list, which are the one tool kit, one pair of headlamp brackets, tail and two side oil lamps, and one horn . Feb 09 prices accessories.jpeg As for your build ...

Suspect the battery first, if the starter Bendix just whirls sound, usually a poor battery if then sometimes turns over the motor vey slow. Just because the battery has charger on it, still could be weak battery. 6 v system needs heavy 6 volt cables and shiny ground at the frame and good connection ...

Norman Kling wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:36 am
Number 5 Has an odd hood and I never saw wood wheels which came off at the hub. Looks like an after market hub.

Those are likely the 'Simplicity', demountable at the hub with a speed wrench he has in his hands.

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Bruce's info from Ford archives: The early 1909 were avail without top, windshield or lamps, except the oil lamps were std. 1909 MAR 1 Ford Times Ford Roadster at $975 in Canada, $825 U.S. described. No top, windshield, headlamps or speedometer, but with oil lamps and horn. 1909 OCT 1 Ford Times Ga...

Just another add to this very very long thread :lol: Might try to remember how the dash to frame bracket was bolted, many of the Improved Cars I have redone only had one bolt in those frame to dash bracket. On assembly the dash bracket should fit well at the cowl holes, unless the bracket is twiste...

Use a sealant with the head gasket, have always used a sealant, most times a double spray of CopperCoat, let dry to slight tacky, then install the gasket. Lacking CopperCoat, use a high percentage metallic spray enamel like Aluminum spray. The metallic paint sealant helps fill tiny voids in the blo...

I've had no issue with keeping the charge up on the Optima Red Top 6v with the Model T generator. I keep the gen. output just under slight discharge on the dash ammeter with the lights on and running at a quick idle. But I do use the Voltage Reg. On the stored Ts, about every couple of months put a ...

My 4 T’s run Red Top Optima 6v….have over the years swapped out lead acid batteries that have to be continually supplied with water to top off the wet cells during our hot FL weather. To me that’s a real plus. Oldest Red Top is a 2014, still fine. Latest is a ‘21 Red Top, there’s a dealer who sells ...

Here is another way to mount with a water pump. This Ford electric horn has the '25 and earlier bracket, that is two holes, vertical from one head bolt to one water outlet bolt. The owner turned the bracket to fit to the cylinder head, with one bracket hole, and used a long strap from the other bra...

Gail Rodda's T Parts Identification books pictures the 13-14 dash to bracket bolts, gives dimensions as: Step bolt, 5/16" x 18thrd., large head diameter of 13/16". The hex nut used are 5/16" x 18 thrd. and 1/4" (.250') height, with dia. across the flats measure of 1/2" (.500"). Restoration Supply o...

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