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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
I always thought the Flanders was a great looking car, along with its bigger sister the Garford. Handsome, distinctive radiator shape; much more interesting than the EMF shape Studebaker later adopted as their own.
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Nice Flanders.
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Beatiful!
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
WOW ! just WOW !
When in trouble, do not fear, blame the second engineer !
Leo van Stirum, Netherlands
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Leo van Stirum, Netherlands
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Well, we do what we can with what we have got. I posted this 3 years ago and was quite pleased with making gears for my Buick water pump.
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The gears pumped water so much better than when they were restricting the flow rather than making it. Today a fellow posted some original ones on the Brass Buick site. Lower right in this photo. Lower left is another failed pair. I can see what they really looked like originally now. I am happy I did what I did. If I was sure it would be an improvement I would make new ones. But perhaps what I made was a better design.
Knowing the difference is certainly a good thing.
Keep at it.
Rich
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The gears pumped water so much better than when they were restricting the flow rather than making it. Today a fellow posted some original ones on the Brass Buick site. Lower right in this photo. Lower left is another failed pair. I can see what they really looked like originally now. I am happy I did what I did. If I was sure it would be an improvement I would make new ones. But perhaps what I made was a better design.
Knowing the difference is certainly a good thing.
Keep at it.
Rich
When did I do that?
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
NOT a vehicle but it gets towed by 1.
1 of my neighbors I have always been able to depend on to help me if I really needed it called me 1 day last week and ask if I could help him fix his old mortar mixer. "sure". Turns out he was in the middle of a major job and needed it bad.
WOW, 1 day i will learn!
anyhow, the bearing was up in a pipe and there was no simple pulling to be done. THis is what I wound up with.
I welded 2 peices of threaded rod into the bearing and then had to cut it off the shaft and out of the pipe.Didn't scar either 1! I was LUCKY.
1 of my neighbors I have always been able to depend on to help me if I really needed it called me 1 day last week and ask if I could help him fix his old mortar mixer. "sure". Turns out he was in the middle of a major job and needed it bad.
WOW, 1 day i will learn!
anyhow, the bearing was up in a pipe and there was no simple pulling to be done. THis is what I wound up with.
I welded 2 peices of threaded rod into the bearing and then had to cut it off the shaft and out of the pipe.Didn't scar either 1! I was LUCKY.
If you can't help em, don't hinder em'
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
1920 Dodge Brothers. Replaced the whole water pump and drive gear assembly to get better shaft for pulley. Adjusted the valves. Changed the oil, topped off the transmission and rear end. Put the plates on. Washed it. Adjusted the brakes. Took for several short drives. Still looks like a "barn find", but at least I can take it for short drives, none longer than I would want to walk home, from when a tire lets its air out.
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I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!
1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
1948 Ford F2 pickup
1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
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After a horrified look at what new tires would cost for the Stanley sedan, it was times to stock up on jumbo-sized jugs of Blechewhite and a new box of SOS pads
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I took my 1973 Vélosolex French motorized bike out of the garage and thought about putting the fuel system together. Then I went and did something else. Need to put the headlight assembly back on as well. Lots of work and a few parts to get it to this point, won’t bore you with details. Very popular in France for many years, cheap and reliable transportation. This one was intended for the American market, imported through Detroit which was a hub of distribution. Gerrit
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Dan, from my standpoint the discolored whitewalls are beautiful. Thanks for taking pictures before scouring them.
Rich
Rich
When did I do that?
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Since the heat wave broke, a friend came down to visit and help with another test drive of my 1912 Flanders 20 Runabout. This time I leaned the carb out a bit and increased the base timing, the car seemed to like the changes.
The car now goes fast enough that I need to install some cushion material around the lamp lenses before they rattle themselves to pieces. That wasn't important when the car was just a museum display, but it is now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09wNGLkZEMk&t=4s
The car now goes fast enough that I need to install some cushion material around the lamp lenses before they rattle themselves to pieces. That wasn't important when the car was just a museum display, but it is now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09wNGLkZEMk&t=4s
Mark Strange
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I had the opportunity to drive Rob’s model B Ford on last Wednesdays mini tour in New London about 40 miles. The most distance a model B has traveled in 100 years. Happy to report the car performed well. Would have done the 125 mile run on Saturday but due to illness the car had to leave. Was sure an honor to be in trusted with it’s care. Hopefully it will be at OCF in September.
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
The tail lamp on the '07 Buick had lost the knurled nut on the door. On investigating I found it loose on it's mounting on the rear bracket.
Lamp work is rewarding. The heat and flux can make things look horrible but with some effort it can look wonderful again.
Rich
P. S. I did find an appropriate knurled nut and put it on very tight this time.
This is a fairly nice reproduction but the mounting bracket was fabricated from 4 pieces soldered together. The stress from the screw that holds it on had finally cracked and broken the lower portion at each side of the slot. While heating the remaining solder from the crack the two side pieces let go. I choose to silver solder the crack in the main piece and then soft solder the sides back on. The fact that the bracket was screwed on rather than riveted and soldered made it easier to do without getting the rest of the lamp hot.
Trying to polish just the effected areas too much polish spurted out of the bottle like ketchup sometimes does and I used it up polishing the whole lamp. I should polish all the brass more often.Lamp work is rewarding. The heat and flux can make things look horrible but with some effort it can look wonderful again.
Rich
P. S. I did find an appropriate knurled nut and put it on very tight this time.
When did I do that?
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Over the last six weeks or so, I have made a few opportunities (read that as neglecting Responsible Adult chores and obligations) to work on my '14 Metz Model 22.
I removed the radiator, Again, in hopes of making a permanent repair to a persistent leak. As I was beginning to mount the radiator back into the car, I stopped and gave more consideration to a possible underlying cause to the persistent leak, something beyond my previous failed soldering jobs.
Those of you familiar with brass Ts know that, unlike the later cars with their spring cushioned radiator, the only cushion is a piece of leather under each ear of the radiator.
My Metz has none. The Metz automobile is no where near as well documented as our beloved Model T. I don't know if there was supposed to be a leather cushion used or not.
I added a piece to each side and installed the radiator. The radiator inlet and the cylinder head outlet are now better aligned than they ever have been and I am hoping that this will reduce the stress on the top tank.
There is more to reassemble and then there are few bits to fabricate for the transmission, replacing those which fell off during the last outing.
I removed the radiator, Again, in hopes of making a permanent repair to a persistent leak. As I was beginning to mount the radiator back into the car, I stopped and gave more consideration to a possible underlying cause to the persistent leak, something beyond my previous failed soldering jobs.
Those of you familiar with brass Ts know that, unlike the later cars with their spring cushioned radiator, the only cushion is a piece of leather under each ear of the radiator.
My Metz has none. The Metz automobile is no where near as well documented as our beloved Model T. I don't know if there was supposed to be a leather cushion used or not.
I added a piece to each side and installed the radiator. The radiator inlet and the cylinder head outlet are now better aligned than they ever have been and I am hoping that this will reduce the stress on the top tank.
There is more to reassemble and then there are few bits to fabricate for the transmission, replacing those which fell off during the last outing.
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Does the Metz radiator have a lower mount similar to a Model T? If so, a pad both under and over the mount would probably be advantageous. If possible, a spring under the bolt head or nut would be of further advantage. More distance between the radiator neck and the water outlet would also help isolate the radiator from vibration and strain, but I don't see how that could be accomplished, other than using a "live" hose and keeping the clamps away from the ends of the metal parts. I'd want as much flexibility in the upper and lower hose connections as can be had, short of modifying original parts.
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After fixing the water pump leak on my 1912 Flanders, I took it out for a test drive and the ignition failed, I had to have the car towed home on a flatbed. After making some checks, I'm convinced (for now) that there is a problem inside the rebuilt coil box, so I dove in and opened up that can of worms. After taking lots of pictures and making lots of notes, I plan to disassemble the whole thing, test each component, then rebuild it again with longer wires and more secure solder joints. I'm also going to attach the bottom with small screws instead of long nails to make it easier to disassemble next time.
Mark Strange
Hillsboro, MO
1924 Cut-off Touring (now a pickup)
Hillsboro, MO
1924 Cut-off Touring (now a pickup)