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The old ways live on.

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:13 am

Logging old school. Thought some may enjoy.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:36 am

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I asked permission to take a few photos. While I was there, while turning the team to get hooked up the mare on the right went down in the muck. At 12 degrees, its frozen sort of. She broke through with one leg and fell on her side. We unhooked the harness and finally got her to pull her leg out but she just layed there shaking in pain. Her leg was under her at an angle that the owner and I was sure it was broken. After having to put my 36 year old horse down last spring, I was sorry I had stopped to watch.

I led the other horse a few feet away and we talked about options. Its a bad feeling to see a 15 to 1800 lb. animal down and know you can do nothing for them. While we talked the mare struggled to her feet and put weight on her leg and took a couple steps. We almost couldnt believe it. The owner told me he had to go home to his family last year without one horse after one of their horses slipped while double teaming a large log and broke his leg. This mare is 22 years old he said she looked like she was ok but on small log duty the rest of the day.

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Post by Henry K. Lee » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:42 am

Glad to hear! The old days makes men and the beast as one! Thanks for posting Dallas, love your community.

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Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:07 am

Thanks Hank. The bond the horses and men have are tight. The trust they put in each other is huge. When hooking a log it takes perfect timeing. The horses cant go and must remain still till he gives the word. If not he gets hurt or worse. The horses wade through brush that a man can hardly walk through. Limbs and brush poking and dragging on them constantly. That type of conditions would totally freak out a driving horse. These gentle powerhouses take it in stride. They become like family after daily contact for years. These guys depend on these animals for their livelyhood so they take very good care of them.


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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Norman Kling » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:26 am

Having grown up in a suburban community with single homes, but 1/4 acre lots, I really don't relate to using horses. We did have some wagons pulled down the streets when I was a boy, but our family had automobiles.
Where we live now, the lots are big enough for horses and several neighbors have them. I see them riding down the roads from time to time.
I did ride a horse a few times at a stable when I was younger. Not because I liked the sport, but a girl I liked was into horses.
Anyway, I guess I don't understand why they would team up the hoses to pull logs in such cold and wet weather?
Maybe someone else can explain why?
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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:33 am

It is easier on the horses in cold weather. The ground is solid and logs slide easy in the snow and frozen ground. Less work for horses. The men suffer in cold weather. In the summer the horses would get too hot. Heat kills horses. Logging is dangerous in the best conditions. There is less slipping with the ground frozen also. Mud is slippery all the time. The horses also do less damage to the woods than a big 4x4 log skidder.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:06 pm

Thanks Dallas. It's great to see and hear about.
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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Duey_C » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:44 am

She sprained or strained that leg ya?
So glad she was able to get up and walk on it yet you and your neighbor gave her that time to do so.
Instead of...
Great story sir!
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Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 am

I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Post by Ruxstel24 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:15 am

Sure glad y’all didn’t have to put her down !
Can she drag some to Ohio ? :D
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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Henry K. Lee » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 pm

When "HORSE" sense over takes modern day "COMMON" sense!


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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Dan Hatch » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:53 pm

I would like to find someone around me that logs with horses or mules. I have some pines on my property that close to 2 feet at base and a good 80 to 100 feet tall. Machines would ruin the place. But no one I can find does it anymore.

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Post by perry kete » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:19 pm

They log here with teams all the time and it's interesting to watch. There is a group logging just down the road.
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Re: The old ways live on.

Post by Burger in Spokane » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:01 pm

About 40 years ago, I was up in the Tumwater Canyon above Leavenworth,
hunting insulators. A friend had taken a good one off a tree and told us where
he found it, so we went up exploring.
We had found traces of the old line along the road, and were driving along
very slowly, looking, when out from the brush crashed this team of enormous
horses, with a turn of logs in tow. The drivers ran the turn down the road a
short distance and cut them loose with some others, already piled there. This
was just too cool to not ask questions, so I approached and learned that this guy
and his crew were simple "old timey" fans, and had found this way to combine their
interest in doing things really old school and make money doing it. The horses
were Percherons. These guys traveled around to do low impact logging for clients
all over the NW.
More people are doing it today than ever before !


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Post by otrcman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:44 pm

In the small town where I was born there was a retired school teacher who used to write down stories that she had heard from some of the old timers. Her stories were usually placed some time between 1900 and 1920. She would submit these stories to the local newspaper as an interest item. Later, the best of the stories were assembled into a soft bound book called, "Old Timers Tales of Fillmore".

One of the stories that Mrs. Jarrett wrote told about the local blacksmith, who lived a couple of miles out of town. His family had just the one horse and wagon for transportation. Each morning the blacksmith would hitch up the wagon and drive into town. If he had no other need for transportation for the day, he'd just unhitch the horse and let her graze. But sometines Mrs. Blacksmith would need the wagon so she could come into town for shopping or a visit. On those days, blacksmith would let the mare rest and drink a bit, then turn the rig around toward home and slap her on the butt. (The mare, not the Mrs.) The mare would tow the empty wagon home and stand in the yard until Mrs. Blacksmith was ready to drive into town once her chores were done.

Mrs. Jarrett conclude her story with, "Try that with your Toyota".


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Post by Burger in Spokane » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:06 pm

I took an interest in old junk at a really young age. No idea why, or
where it came from. Close on its heels was a fascination for stories
like that, telling of ways things are no longer done. It connected the
dots between all the old junk I liked. Mr. Moore lived up the road from
us. He was my friend Paul's grandfather. He was born in 1883, and would
occasionally share stories and dirty jokes with us kids. I feel most blessed
to have been able to hear ANY living human tell the story of seeing an automobile
for the first time.

He said it was "nineteen-five", and he was walking home on some little
country lane in Minnesota, when the strangest noise and thing with bright
lights on it came at him. He said he was quite scared, and that every hair
on his body was standing on end ! He backed off the road into a meadow
and let the belching mystery contraption pass, fading away into the darkness.

A short time later, found Mr. Moore in town, telling others of this scary visit,
and after a few good laughs, was informed that it was so-n-so's fancy new
automobile. Mr. Moore had a good way of explaining how we do not appreciate
the dead quiet of a pre-motorized world today, to understand just how shocking
this encounter was. And he was no small child at the time, either.
More people are doing it today than ever before !


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Post by otrcman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:48 pm

Yes, Burger, I share your love for old junk.

When my mother passed away, we were cleaning out her house and one of the things that I found was the previously mentioned copy of "Old timers Tales of Fillmore". The book was signed by the author as Mrs Jarrett had been my mother's High School Spanish teacher in 1935.

One of the stories that Mrs Jarrett relates is too good to be paraphrased. So here it is in quotes, taken directly from the book:

"In March,1916, Fillmore's weekly newspaper proudly proclaimed, "1510 AUTOS OWNED IN VERTURA COUNTY !"

"Ernie Smith, like all young fellows, could tell you the make of anything on wheels, so after he read that item one Sunday afternoon, he went out to the road by his home east of town, sat down under a tree, and tallied every auto that passed. A total of 134 went by in 4 hours, and guess which model scored the highest. Yes, the Model T "Tin Lizzie", with 46.

See if you can remember the other models he saw that day. There were 16 Dodges, 10 Maxwells, 9 Buicks, 8 Studebakers (the company had retooled from buggies to cars; remember the "EMF" -- Every Morning Fixit?), 6 Cadillacs, 6 Chalmers, 4 Overlands, 4 Hupmobiles, 3 Reos, 3 Chandlers, and 2 Regals. Those who got honorable mention for one each were Grant, Lexington, Locomobile, Paige, Winton, and Apperson (the "Jackrabbit", remember?)."

Mrs Jarrett's story goes on to tell about the various locals who became dealers. But I thought it interesting to see the variety of auto makes, of which only the Ford, Buick and Cadillac survive today.


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Post by Burger in Spokane » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:47 pm

Apperson ! There's a name most people have never heard ! When I was a kid,
I got a pad of paper and began compiling a list of US automakers. Got up into
the hundreds before I discovered boobs, and quit caring so much. :lol:

Just across the road from Mr. Moore's place, the Van Ryn's had some acreage.
In their various garages and outbuildings, they stored all their "retired" cars.
The oldest was an Apperson, I *think* they said it was a 1912 ??? .... then a 37
Terraplane coupe, then a 57 Fairlane, which had only recently been put on the
dead line, in favor of some faceless 70's modern. And all three of these cars
were complete and nice and ready to go anywhere still.

In those days, at least for us kids that lived to explore the woods, barns, and
fence rows, wherever we might find them, old cars and trucks and equipment
was everywhere you looked. What a blessed time to be a kid !
More people are doing it today than ever before !


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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 am

I loved listening to stories when I was young from people that lived it. Thanks for sharing all these , it takes me back. Its hard for my son and grandkids to imagine what I was fortunate enough to be a part of. Living in Amish country, I helped our neighbors as a teenager on the farm. Putting up loose hay with a stand up rake and trolly in the top of the barn, threshing oats, cutting ice and covering it with sawdust in the icehouse, hauling manure with horses. I worked for experience not money. The fact they had good looking daughters, was not a factor.😁The Amish today are pretty modern today with skidsteers, roundbalers and hydralics on their horse drawn equipment. My neighbor is Amish and about 42 years old and has never put up loose hay.

I try to keep in mind how how life was when my grand parents were young and how easy we have it today. Back then you worked for what you needed, not what you wanted. My grandparents never had indoor plumbing. We lived at least 1/2 my time at home with no, or limited indoor plumbing. Outhouses were the norm when growing up. Life is good today, no frost on the toiled seat.😂

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Post by Quickm007 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:48 am

Thank you sharing these stories, always enjoying reading them.
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Post by Art Ebeling » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:27 pm

When I was about ten years old I would spend the summers in a small town in south central Missouri. The people I stayed with were loggers that still used horses and I would tag along to "help". The two things I remember most were the giant horseflys and riding to the timber standing on the back of the log truck while they drove like maniacs holding on to the back of the cab with one hand with the other hand holding my pop bottle in the wind so it would whistle.

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