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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:20 pm

The decorated clock-themed car is not a Ford; it has frame horns for longitudinal springs and there is not Ford flywheel housing visible between the front tire and fender. The radiator is too far forward, too.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:39 pm

Looking at the guy in the seat vs the car's size and with with most details covered, it seems more suited to a two-cylinder car. A lot of details align; the lift at the tips of the back fenders and the big radius in the curve of the front fenders, the forward radiator, the elliptical springs visible at the back of the car, the frame horn at the front, the overall proportions, I think it is a 1909 Buick Model F.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:27 pm

That is a believable assumption, Dan. The fact that we can't see a steering wheel and the Model Fs tilted up seems logical to me.

Here is one for the group to ID. The cowl looks like a Thomas, but the car looks small for that.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:04 pm

Yep, Rich, that is absolutely a 1907 Thomas Flyer.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Bryant » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:19 pm

Here’s one Iam trying to figure out for my mother. She’s been building genealogy books. She said the driver is her great aunt and it was said the car was new or newer. Any ideas on what car this is?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:43 pm

To me it looks like another Buick, not unlike the attached 1924 models.

Edit: Scratch that, the top does not match, and no bucket headlamps.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:20 pm

The newest mystery car is a 1922 Willys Knight.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Bryant » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:33 pm

;)
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The newest mystery car is a 1922 Willys Knight.
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I guess that would make sense because her aunts brother in law (my great grandfather) sold overland vehicles at his ford dealership in that era. Probably bought it off him. Thanks
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:23 am

That one is a 1906 or earlier REO 1-cylinder 4-seat Runabout.
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The hood was not the familiar shape used from 1907 and later. The folding seat is quite recognizeble as REO.
They are nicely posed for the photo.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:24 pm

Nice work Dan. I hadn't a clue.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Herb Iffrig » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:38 pm

That might be the very same car.


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Post by Dan Haynes » Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:30 pm

1909 2 cyl Maxwell
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:53 pm

Thanks Dan. I believe this is a similar one and what lies under the hood.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by BobD » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:45 pm

My 92 year old neighbor lady brought out a few old photos from the '20's. Some of the cars I could identity, some I could not. Here is one that has me stumped.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Herb Iffrig » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:02 am

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:57 am

Mr. Doris' looks a lot like this Oakland Roadster with a special hard top added.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:12 am

Mr. Iffrig's roadster is similar to the attached 1913 Cartercar, but has several differences. Maybe it is still a Cartercar?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by BobD » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:52 am

Thanks Mr. Glahn. Good call. Oakland Roadster with special hard top. The hubcaps even look similar. :)
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:03 am

Herb's Sunday car is a ca. 1912 Little, later rebadged Chevrolet.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by BobD » Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:22 pm

One more from my 92 y.o. neighbor lady. Have no idea what this is. Looks pretty fancy though.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:43 pm

Mr. Doris,
I think that is a dolled up '27 or '28 Nash, similar to this one. It's pretty! Wonder what colors it was.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by BobD » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:27 pm

Thanks again Mr. Glahn for the spot on ID. My elderly neighbor lady will be delighted to hear what they are. :) The cars belonged to her relatives.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:16 am

Here's one that may be easy ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:41 pm

Maybe easy for you. My first guess was another European car looking at the doors in the hood. But NO. It is a Royal Tourist made in Cleveland. 1906 or 1907 I am guessing.
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I haven't seen enough of them to be familiar with them, especially the early ones.
Headlamp make was optional I suppose. Note the Gary & Davis Bullet ones in my first photo.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:43 am

Rich, my acquaintance with (to say "knowledge of" would be ridiculous!) the early cars and their details is so impoverished, you may rely that the photos I post are all a mystery to me. The overall lines of this one looked familiar enough to me, I thought perhaps it was a make that had been identified in a previous post. No doubt it's a Royal, all the details match.

Wow ! 40hp, "express train speed". All for only $ 104,932.50 in today's dollars ! :lol: :lol:
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:04 pm

There were so many different makes that are not seen that often. I have learned an awful lot cruising though pictures of ones posted here that I wouldn't have known otherwise. Here are some details from eBay. Royal is kind of illusive.
Thanks for finding them.
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I like to see the engine details. Cast in pairs as the Ford NRSs and many at that time.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:48 pm

Wonderful to see "under the hood" of the Royal ! What a treat !!
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:09 am

Sorry for the poor quality of the photo. Best clues hidden by the lady cuddling the headlamp ? :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:38 pm

1915 Chalmers Light Six
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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:54 pm

Nice work Dan. That's a tough one for me.
The license plate is 1915 Maryland, so the photo is of a fairly new car.
It looks like cool weather there too. :roll:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:58 pm

The windshield and general body shape is exceptionally similar to the era Maxwell, but they and Chalmers weren't in cahoots until 1917.

Those fenders are very modern looking for 1915!


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:39 pm

ca 1910 Overland
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:26 pm

1908-ish Maxwell.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:12 pm

That looks like a 1909 Cadillac Model 30 Touring Car to me Herb.
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Post by Herb Iffrig » Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:35 pm

Did those have the name Cadillac punched into the running board?

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:00 am

Not the name but diamond shaped holes were punched into them.
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Post by Herb Iffrig » Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:23 am

I guess that is what I was thinking of.
Years ago, there was a 1909 Cadillac for sale at Chickasha. I remember looking at it because the seller (who I didn't know) was from New Melle MO. That is about twenty-five miles away from me. Just a coincidental thing.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:43 am

Looks a lot like this 1902 Rambler Model C Runabout.

I posted some photos of what might have been one of these old Ramblers in a barn, with the intention of learning more about it. However the cars have been passed to the family after the owners death and I don’t think they need me snooping around anymore.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:50 am

Here is another one. I first thought it may be some kind of Willys/Knight automobile, but no luck yet.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:25 am

Tadpole: it looks like a 1929 Willys-Knight Model 70A four door sedan.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:26 am

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:51 am

I agree they are painfully similar, but the lug nuts, fenders and cowl band mess me up.


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Post by oldnrusty1 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:09 pm

Herb Iffrig's Rambler photo of November 16 and Tadpole's Rambler photo of November 17 are of Model E Ramblers and they came out for the 1903 year and got carried over into early 1904. Production 1902s didn't have any cooling grating on the sides of the main body, that's a Model E/ 1903 thing. The red Rambler is older, you can see the center pivot bracket in the middle of the front axle. Newer Model E's, the body is made a little different and I think a little cruder. That's typical of the Iffrig photo.

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Post by Tadpole » Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:53 am

Mr. Popadak,

Thank you for keeping us in line, wouldn’t you know google lied to me?


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Post by Herb Iffrig » Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:11 pm

What might the car on the left be?
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Post by perry kete » Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:36 pm

What might the car be on the left
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:38 pm

It is quite the sporty Roadster. Like the Jordan "Playboy", Kissel "Goldbug", Stutz Bearcat, Templar and Stevens Roadsters it would be a great car to have. I don't see it as any of those. I hope someone else can tell us.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 pm

At first glance, I could have bought the idea of one of those sleek body kits for a Model T, but the "bump" forward of the rear fender speaks of parallel elliptic springs, and what is visible of the flywheel area is definitely not Ford. Like trying to identify a suspect wearing a hoodie, the side curtains probably obscure features that might give more clues. It sure looks rain-proof buttoned up like that. Neat photo.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:03 am

Here's another one, from a photo taken in my hometown.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:35 pm

That's a tough one I'm not familiar with. The only clue I could go by was the radiator emblem. After finding a match, I could read the pennants. Best of luck to others.
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Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:53 pm

That's about a 1911 Empire.
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Post by Tadpole » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:24 pm

It is most definitely another Empire! Thank you Mr. Haynes. It looks good in coupe form, although I’m partial to coupes.
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Post by dlmyers » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:51 pm

That is a Model 31 Empire. There are only about 5 of them in existence.
I would post a photo of the one in our museum here in Greenville if I could figure out how to post photos on this forum.
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Post by dlmyers » Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:09 pm

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Finally figured it out.
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Post by Tadpole » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:27 am

Now that is a beautiful machine, thank you Mr. Myers. Wouldn't it be swell to learn where some of these cars ended up? Probably as scrap unfortunately.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:57 pm

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Post by dlmyers » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:27 pm

The same people who started the Empire Automobile co also built the Indianapolis Motor Speedway at about the same time and they put all their effort into running the speedway and ignored the Empire. They farmed out the assembly of the cars in 1913 and some of them were assembled here in Greenville and others in Connersville Indiana, which is about 30 miles south of the Model T museum in Richmond IN. A very nice museum in Connersville has one of the remaining 5 known cars.
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Post by Tadpole » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:53 am

Mr. Iffrig,
Your last car looks like a '16-'17 Maxwell Model 25, very similar to mine and Mr. Eagles. Great to see a photo of one shiny new with its pinstriping and belly pan! Doesn't have demountable rims so maybe it's a late '15?
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Post by Herb Iffrig » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:50 am

I used to wonder if that was like the one Jack Benny always referred to.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:38 pm

Thanks for commenting, Mr. Glahn.
This is another nice photo to add to the file.
Since Jack Benny was on radio, a year was not established for the car. Simply by picking "Maxwell" was funny as they were obsolete and cheap by then. When movies and TV came along, various years were used at different times for his Maxwell from the '00 era to the teens depending on what fit the needs. I have seen several different ones he claimed.
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Post by Dan Haynes » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:17 pm

And part of the gag was that Jack Benny had traded in his Stanley steamer on the Maxwell.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:54 pm

I recall the car in that third picture being on the television show. I never heard the gag that he'd traded in a Stanley Steamer. I guess perhaps 25-30 years seemed further in the past in the early 1950s, yet both marques had to be still vivid in the collective memory for the humor to work.

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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm

Here's a real puzzler - not just the car, either !! Perhaps European ?!?
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Post by Kaiser » Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:48 am

Probably French, the writing on the side seems to read "Menagerie Gregoire" or 'Gregoire Livery Stables' in English.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:53 am

Thank you Leo ! Yes, wonderful wire wheels, and fat tires too.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 pm

Perhaps the vehicle was obtained used and converted into a home on wheels by a family of Gypsy chimney sweeps.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:39 pm

"1912 - Gregoire - San Sebastián Car Rally".
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1912, "Camper" met 11 personen wint de rally Posen (Polen) -San Sebastian (Spanje) (3500 kilometer in 7 dagen), ook kreeg het voertuig met zijn bloembakken de Prix de l'Elegance.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:44 pm

Speculation -? Rich's post seems to indicate eleven persons were aboard this "camper" participating in an auto rally in 1912 - plausibly the route was between St. Gregoire in France, to San Sebastián in Spain, a distance of about 500 miles following the curve of the Bay of Biscay, likely very scenic. I'm guessing the ladder is for access to the gear packed on top of the camper body. Brooms ? You never see a sheep camp without a broom :lol: Probably they were very neat campers ! (we still don't know the make of the car)
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Post by mbowen » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:07 pm

The translation from Dutch:
1912, "Camper" with 11 people wins the rally Posen (Poland) - San Sebastian (Spain) (3500 kilometers in 7 days), also the vehicle with its flower boxes was awarded the Prix de l'Elegance.

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Post by Bryant » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:57 pm

A print of this car is on flee-bay for sale. The seller description states it’s a (French) Mors car. not sure of the exact year or model.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:08 pm

Mors was an important early French auto builder and racer. Andre Citroen became associated with Mors and evntually bought the company.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:16 pm

I made the assumption that it was a Gregoire.
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Post by Kaiser » Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:21 am

I think Rich E nailed it, I didn't make the connection with the Gregoire painted on the side and the French Gregoire car brand.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:03 pm

Thankx Leo. I don't know my French cars very well but sometimes find them.
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Post by Tadpole » Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:01 pm

Mr. Nunn,

That looks like some kind of kit car. Glassic? Speedway Motors maybe?


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It looks like an 1909 Mother-in-law seat roadster.


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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:30 am

I think Herb is right. Not knowing the N,R,S models well, I thought it might be earlier than an '09. The bicycle and license plate indicate it is a vintage photo.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:36 am

This one may be easy, maybe harder to identify the year model ?
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The roadster above has the Model T style rear springs.


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Post by BobD » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:06 am

Rich P. Bingham wrote:
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This one may be easy, maybe harder to identify the year model ?
First thought was Winton. Not sure of the year. The cowl lights arrangement would suggest early teens although it appears to have electric headlights.

Found ads from 1912 and 1913. Electric lights are a feature for 1913. The 1912 still features acetylene lamps.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:14 pm

Nice work Bob. I looked at some and can't tell what year. '13 had a curve to the front fenders and '12 had acetylene lights. Probably a different Model but about those years.
Loziers looked quite similar.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:29 pm

Here's a fun picture. Shouldn't be hard to identify, "all those old cars were Model Ts" :lol:
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:50 pm

I can feel the cold from that photo. Especially this time of year. Been there, done that. Not today thanks.
The first car is surely a Model T of 1917 or later. The second looks like a '15 or so Buick. The radiator emblem, windshield posts and oval rear window would fit that. Several others were similar. It looks like a nice neighborhood. I think it would take some shoveling to get the cars out in the street. Or some pushing.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:54 pm

No mystery the make, but what year ? No headlamps, interesting cowl lamps, curved rear fenders, are they factory, or custom with the commercial body ? What year is this T ?
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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:04 pm

The fenders are likely '15 or '16. The brass windshield is a bit earlier. Adlake lights or maybe Deitz were popular for commercial vehicles. The rear wheels are demountable and maybe a little stronger.
U.S. Mail sure used a lot of different vehicles.
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