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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:23 pm

I remember when The Great Leslie drove that Cartercar through Borracho on the 'round the world race ! Lovely to see !!
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:38 pm

Photo dated 1909. With hats like that, those ladies had no need to raise the top. What a beautiful home in the background.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by oldnrusty1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:31 pm

Hello Tadpole,
The body on the 1902 Rambler looks nothing like a real 1902 or even one of the 1902 replicas that was made in the 1950s or 1960s. But what I found most unusual was the front spring. Rambler had springs that were a little different from others. They looked like a four sided box that got squished down. Not sure of my mathematical geometry to describe it. But the springs form straight lines to the pivot points front and back of the spring. Over time those nice straight lines sagged a little. Your front spring reminds me of Rambler springs. Replica Ramblers didn't bother, they had squished (scientific term) oval shaped springs. I've seen two 1902 Ramblers that have been back fitted with steering columns. Also the 1903 style Rambler got carried over into springtime of 1904 and you could for a small nominal fee, get the 1904 steering column fitted to your 1903 style Rambler.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:31 am

Thank you for the information Mr. Popadak! Maybe this is a survivor that got a homemade body somewhere down the line?
Next time I go I will try to get some better photos of it.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am

It would be fun to see more pictures of the Rambler, Mr. Glahn, if you get a chance to take them. I wonder what they used for an engine.
I'm trying to decide if Mr. Bingham's photo of the cars with the lovely ladies in it is a Model 30 Cadillac or not.
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Post by Tadpole » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:25 pm

Mr. Eagle, I thank you kindly. I will keep on the case of the Rambler.

I thought Cadillac as well, but I looked at a few different manufacturers and now I am leaning towards it being a Thomas Flyer.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:39 pm

Thankyou Mr. Glahn, that is exactly what it is.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:26 am

Thank you Mr. Eagle!

Here is a nice photo from the Detroit Library Archive for Ironhorse, some Paterson automobiles on display.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:12 pm

Photo dated 1915, the motorist is identified as Chief Iron Tail, no tribal affiliation or location given. Early in the motor age it was popular to photograph Indians in native garb with automobiles and motorcycles. I guess because these images so dramatically illustrated how radically the world had changed within living memory.

The car is definitely earlier than 1915, but shows some rough use. What is it ? :lol:
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Post by perry kete » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:30 pm

Chief Iron Tail was a regular in the Buffalo Bill wild west show. He is cranking a 1915 Locomobile. Often called Geronimo's Cadillac. He was the most photographed indian chief in the 19th & 20th century. It is his profile that was used for the indian head nickle from 1913 to 1938. He was an Oglala Lakota Chief.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:45 am

Good I. D. on Chief Iron Tail. However, I don't think that's the '05 Locomobile Geronimo is driving in the photo you posted. Too many details are different, particularly the hubs. Anyone ? Bueller ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:27 am

I think I have a start, here are photos of a 1907 Pope-Toledo. It looks close but there are a few small differences, the shape of the axle being the biggest one for me.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:54 pm

You are on the right track Mr. Glahn. Here is a 1908 Pope-Toledo Type XVIII Touring. It looks identical down to the wrinkle in the front fenders and the steering wheel spider.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:17 pm

Thank you much Mr. Eagle, nice photos!

What is the purpose of all those extra valve stems?

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:39 pm

Those are a way of securing the tube to the rim. I have never had a car with them and don't know much about them.
The tire on the wheel you show has one valve stem, bottom left, and the rest are studs. They may be vulcanized to the tube. I don't know. I can't find much about them as they were not used for very long but do appear in early pictures.
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Post by perry kete » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:45 pm

Geronimo is not riding Chief Iron Tail is...They just called it "Geronimo's Cadillac"
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Chief Iron Tail and Buffalo Bill in DuBois PA
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Bigger photo... the two cars are not the same but both photos are of Chief Iron Tail
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:28 pm

I applaud your efforts, Perry, to set the record straight. However the internet wants to call him Geronimo and the car a Ford in several of the accounts. I was pleased to look up Chief Iron Tail and learn about him with Buffalo Bill. I assume my Grandfather met both of them in the old days in West Yellowstone.
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This is another offering of the photo. I'm wondering if that is the gas cap atop the cowl.
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Post by perry kete » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:28 pm

Thanks Rich,

I too think it would be neat to know if one of my relatives met these folks but I don't think they did unless they met them on their tour when they were in England. Of course the only way my relatives would have met them is if they stopped by the barn while they were cleaning up after the horses. :D


Geronimo was born 1829 and died Feb 17, 1909

Chief Iron tail was born 1842 and died May 29, 1916

So Geronimo passed away before many of these pictures were taken
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:40 pm

Here's a cute little rig. Looks familiar but I don't know what it is. ??
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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:28 pm

It's a single cylinder REO. Maybe a 1907 or earlier. They aren't as recognizable as the 2-cyl ones with different proportions to the front panel.
Here is one from Bonhams.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:01 pm

The Early REO One and Two Cylinder Group has reproduced some wonderful literature. These are from a 1906 one of a similar car.
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Post by perry kete » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:13 pm

Rich,

Thanks for posting this information as I find learning about old cars very interesting.

I see in the Bonhams information that they were 8 HP. How fast would those little cars go?
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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:48 am

Thanks Dennis. I followed these two at 25-30 mph on a Kiss tour.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:09 pm

Doubtless a taxicab, but what make ? Central Park, New York City, no year given.
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Post by perry kete » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:44 pm

Looks similar to a Rockwell Handsome cab around 1900
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:40 pm

It is a Darracq-taxi. The license plate makes it 1910 or 1911 I think.
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Mighty interesting ! Thanks, Rich.
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Post by Burger in Spokane » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:08 am

The last (colorized) photos of Chief Iron Tail .....

What are the spikes between each spoke that look like valve stems ?

Surely those tires/tubes did not have 87 valves stems ! :shock:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm

I believe those "fasteners" between the spokes had something to do with a method for securing the inner tube. Presumably only one was a valve stem, although I seem to recall seeing an early advertisement for a chambered inner tube with multiple valve stems. The system pretty much disappeared by the mid-teens if period photos are evidence. Others will know more.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:17 pm

People today tend to think of Ts as slow and awkward vehicles. When they were introduced, and for at least a decade afterward, they were swift, powerful, and dependable cars, with ride and handling superior to the majority of other vehicles on the road. They were more than adequate for the conditions they were designed for.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:01 am

Information about the lugs between spokes is scarce. It's probably because that system was short lived. These two illustrations might show how it worked. Though it has wingnuts and between every other spoke I believe the principle is the same.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

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Hard enough to tell some makes without burying them under a blanket of snow. Photo caption, Pocatello, Idaho, 1930. Can anyone tell us what this big sedan is ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:33 pm

Real nice information abounds in this thread!

My first guess on the next car is a 1926 Star Sedan. I don’t think I am right, but hopefully it will get us started. I think maybe the Star due to the similar body lines, visor and the front brake drums.
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Post by Tadpole » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:55 pm

Or maybe a 1926 Peerless?
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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:43 pm

Both those are similar Mr. Glahn. My first thought was Buick. Both your Star and Peerless have the double side molding as do many of the GMs of that era. 1926 is a good choice as many cars were without bumpers back then. Of course the bumper may be missing in the photo. The radiator lower apron looks awfully wide vertically to match any of the cars I have looked at in this regard. Perhaps that is snow making it look that way.
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Drum headlights and cowl lights and that curve to the windshield were very popular in the mid twenties. I'm sure we could find dozens of possibilities. The visor isn't clear to me either. The curve of the upper radiator shell at the bottom is much like a Packard. I don't see any clear features to make a positive identification but it is sure fun to guess.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:53 pm

I would favor the Star ID if it weren't for that lower apron, and my impression that the Star was a small car. I can rule out Packard for the apron and the hub; as well, a Packard would more than likely have disk wheels. This one may go un-branded. I apologize if the puzzle is too unfairly difficult. Heaven knows I don't know what it is. I don't post any puzzles I know the answer to ! :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:13 pm

Brothers Everett and Skeet Bowman hit the highway to Cheyenne in 1926 with their horses and rodeo gear, intending to compete for the money in as many rodeos as they could enter in a summer. Their approach was unique, and they were credited with constructing the first horse trailer. With all that gear, it's tough to see enough of their tow vehicle to identify it !

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:57 am

Cab, hood, headlights and rear springs look like mid-late 20's REO but fenders don't match precisely.
Maybe just worn out? Not sure.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:54 am

The fenders, spring hanger and headlights look like Dodge to me. Note the way the rear fender front curves into the running board. The cab, visor and bed could be custom made. Many cars were similar but that seems reasonable to me given their popularity.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:03 am

Maybe too easy ? But I don't know what it is. Looks like the boss is checking on his herders.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:13 pm

Not "too easy" at all. So many cars of that period had that radiator shape and hoodline. I see a 1910 Oakland Model K, a 1910 Chalmers-Detroit Model K '30', a 1910 Buick Model 19, a REO and a Premier, 4 40 that have much the same lines and door pattern. And that's just for stars. Not to mention the Cadillac model 30 similarities. They liked to curve the rear fenders into a flat end a lot. Finding something really distinctive in these photos is sometimes difficult.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:59 pm

:lol: "All them new models look alike. Why, it wasn't that long ago a feller could buy a distinctive auty-mobile !" :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:02 pm

Here's another "easy" one (?). I'm thinking Buick, but I'm not at all sure.
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Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:35 am

Studebaker Six.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:06 pm

Rich P. Bingham wrote:
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:lol: "All them new models look alike. Why, it wasn't that long ago a feller could buy a distinctive auty-mobile !" :lol:
Maybe not ? Perhaps this one is an easy one to identify, but as I looked through images of 1903 autos, I was struck by the degree of similarity among them.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:42 pm

Many will remember that Henry Leland founded Cadillac from the defunct Ford holdings in 1903. Therefore they were basically the same body.
Without the name script on the radiator I can't tell.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:07 pm

Rich -

The Ford has a more compact, boxier radiator core with a "flat" front, the Cadillac has a deeper, sloped radiator core.
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Post by Dan Haynes » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:19 pm

Mystery car
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Similar, except for the location of the gas tank. Color photo car has tank in the cowl with gravity feed, b&w pic has tank at the rear with vacuum tank feed.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:02 pm

Thanks for that, Dan. It's a treat to see a modern photo from the same angle. The newer photo points up the shape of the hood which is softened by the winterfront / hood blanket in the winter scene.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:07 pm

I find the little differences the most interesting! The "color" car is a 1915 build date Series 16 Model ED Six. ALL Series 16 1916 model-year Studebakers were built in calendar year 1915. In fact, they started building 1917 (Series 17) cars in December of 1915.

There were zero 1916 cars built in 1916. The last of the Series 17 cars were built in 1916.

The Series 17 cars had the gas tanks at the rear of the car, while the Series 16 had a "modesty panel" where the tank would later go. Series 17 cars usually had 7 rim lugs per wheel, while Series 16 usually had only 6. Interestingly the Series 17 in the b&w photo has 6.

Series 17 cars have beefier, longer rear fenders than the daintier-looking Series 16 with its shorter, flipped-tip fenders.

The apron under the radiator is tiny and horizontal on the earlier Series 16, while the 17 has a deeper, fuller sloped apron similar to other car of the era.

And the earlier Series 16 has higher headlights. Apparently they shortened the brackets up by the time the Series 17 cars hit the roads.

And, invisible in these photos, the Series 17 has the swiveling passenger's seat that can be turned backwards to visit with backseat passengers.

I'm sure there are a few more detail differences, but that's enough to tell one from the other in photos.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:09 pm

This photo is dated 1900, and claims the bus is steam-powered. Obviously from across the pond, steamers are mysterious enough without traveling abroad, but maybe steam guys will know ?
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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:26 pm

I wouldn't have any hope of identifying it or confirming it as a steam car if not for stumbling on this account.
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It claims it is a Thornycroft Steam Wagon.
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Here is another rig going to the same place. Perhaps a gasoline powered one. Maybe a De Dion?
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Post by Kaiser » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:57 am

I doubt if that first London omnibus is a steam car, first of all there seems to be no way to stoke the boiler from where the driver(s) are sitting, something that requires constant attention.
second, the ratio of the chain drive hints on a gasolene engine, as a steam engine has massive torque and would not need the gearing down that a combustion engine needs.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:12 am

Both vehicles look to be gasoline powered to me.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:45 pm

Good eyes Leo and Pat. The louvers, a possible radiator and a crank out front do suggest a gasoline powered vehicle. I may have mis-read the a gracesguide information and Rich's source may have assumed too much.
Still, it is a great look at turn of the century transportation.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:11 pm

Maybe an easy identification? This is intriguing. The car seems to be quite customized to this miner's purposes, like the position of the headlights. Likely he's more concerned with knowing what's aside the trail than whatever is in front of him ? He hauls pay-dirt and pans it at his cabin. Perhaps it pays well ? Obviously a very new tire on that car. No date or place given.
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I can't be sure what the car is but I think I toured with the gold-panner several years ago. One of the best tours I have ever been on.
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The tread width has been narrowed to get through some narrow burro trails I'll bet.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:13 am

The "For Sale" car is a Dodge. It looks to me like the mine buggy is also a Dodge.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:05 pm

Yes, I believe it is a Dodge. The windshield, hubcaps and front motor bearing look like Dodge. Also the front axle assembly. Those are model T headlights though. A 490 Chevrolet had much the same radiator shape and other similarities. Stories of guys packed into the mountains like that are sure fun. I can only imagine.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:12 pm

Thanks for the pictures Rich ! I thought it looked like a Dodge. I'm fascinated by the modifications. It would be a treat to examine the beast in person !
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:01 pm

I noticed the engine and body have been raised from the frame, probably for more pan clearance. That necessitated a hood strap. No door gave easy egress and exit. It looks like new tires on one side of the car. Also a makeshift bumper for pushing brush and small trees out of the way. I wish I could tell what state the license is from.
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When we looked at Doc Hatch's cars they told us that the Dodge was the only one that would climb the roads to their cabin. It sounds like they would outclimb a model T.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:53 pm

Has the track been narrowed ? Or does it just look like that because it's raised so tall ? Testimonial from an owner, no doubt Dodge had the advantage on steep climbs. I was also wishing it were possible to learn what state. From the look of things, I'll bet he could have gotten by without registering the car !! Wouldn't it be great to see this from the rear and sides to learn what other modifications were made ?
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Post by BobD » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:00 pm

It appears to me, the front axle has been shortened and there is some kind of a weld in the middle of the front axle. Indeed an interesting contraption. :)

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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:32 pm

It has definitely been narrowed to get through some narrow burro trails.
Here is a similar year Dodge modified to run a pump. Just for grins.
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It is also blocked up at the rear. That is it's relocated gas tank which would have been mounted at the rear of the kicked up frame.
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Post by perry kete » Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:37 pm

I wonder if the Dodge was made narrow so it could run along narrow gage rail tracks in the mountains?
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:11 pm

Funny you should mention that Dennis. Had you seen this?
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"First wheeled transport to the Azurite was this cut-down, dual-transmission puddlejumper."
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Is it narrowed or is it just the photo perspective?
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Post by perry kete » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:29 pm

Rich,

The link you posted talks about the mining road and how narrow it was. About 3/4 down in the article the author of the article visited the mine in 1931 in a "Model T truck cut down in width" to make the trip on the narrow pass.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:36 pm

Likely trails like this !
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:59 am

Or this. :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:33 am

Photo note, "Nevada" 1910. Maybe not too puzzling?
This one looks kinda familiar ! :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by oldnrusty1 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:37 pm

radiator looks Rambler to me

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Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:16 pm

I don't recognize it. 1905 or 1906 would be my guess on the year. It has features similar to Rob's Model B Ford and a 1906 Model F Buick but is not either of those. Maybe one of the dozens of lesser known makes.
I hope someone can peg it.
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Post by Tadpole » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:31 pm

I agree, looks a lot like this 1907 Rambler Model 21. Photo taken from The Horseless Carriage Gazette.
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Great job Ben and Tad. That certainly is it. The ring below the steering wheel is positive proof.
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Post by Tadpole » Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:41 pm

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Here are some old photos taken near me, the automobile has me stumped.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:46 am

Here's an easy one. Buick, but what year ?

Photo caption is "Ketchum, Idaho - 1920". Many years before Hemingway discovered it, and 16 years before Harrimans built "Sun Valley". After the mines played out, Ketchum might have just blown away in the wind if it hadn't been for . . . Sheep !! Sign in Spanish on the mercantile tells of a significant trade with Basque sheepherders !
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Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:28 pm

I'm going to say it's a 1916. The headlight stanchions and windshield seem to match. I looked at '15s and '17s which didn't match but there may be different models of different years that do match. Buick was funny that way and I don't have info on all of them.
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This is a 1916 Buick D44 Roadster. D45 was the Touring. With a 6-cyl engine and 45HP the Touring was "the most popular Buick of 1916. D55 was their larger Touring essentially a C55 carried over from 1915.
It's fun to see that. We haven't been to Ketchum Wagon days for years. They are still doing it in some form. It was a thrill to attend the car parades in the '60s.
I miss it. So many great old car people were there that aren't still around.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:39 pm

Speaking of Ketchum Wagon Days, these Ts sure got my attention in 1964. Kennedy Stewart's left and Roy Bishop's right were pretty magical to a kid of 17. 21 years later I built a '15.
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Chet Rice's 1924 with wire wheels and a Coupe I didn't know who had.
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We kidded John Dawdy (REO)about Blair Sargent (Erskine) pushing him across the Arco desert. Blair had to be towed after a vacuum tank leak. The '13 REO belonged to Ben Box.
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All these characters seemed bigger than life and influenced my life in so many ways back then. I hope we are inspiring some youngsters now days in those ways. There were 60 or so antique cars in those parades plus a steam tractor or two.
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Post by Herb Iffrig » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:37 pm

Thanks Dan.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:17 am

That's not a headlight !! :lol: I've never seen that before. What a great photo ! Thanks Herb. As usual, I haven't a clue. :roll:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:29 pm

My best guess is that it is a 1905 Model C Wayne and that the picture has been flipped.
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Most details agree except the extra bead on the rear seat and the rear fender curve. It could be a different year or a design change.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:27 pm

Buttons on the gentleman's coat agree with the photo being reversed. Well done, Rich ! :D
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Herb Iffrig » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:03 pm

I will keep looking. I will stump you guys yet!


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Re: Yet another puzzle

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by JohnM » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:47 pm

I believe that is a ford. What year? Most of the defining evidence is covered. Herb, you may have stumped them. :shock:


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by speedytinc » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:55 pm

JohnM wrote:
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I believe that is a ford. What year? Most of the defining evidence is covered. Herb, you may have stumped them. :shock:
Yes, but what year & month was it manufactured? :D

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:03 pm

I would say 1909 or 1910 based on the top irons.
Maybe April. :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by perry kete » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:55 pm

I like how they made the wheel covers into clocks...He must be a time traveler. :shock:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:13 am

I'm feeling reckless. The "barrell" look of the hood and front end looks like a Franklin to me. 1906 ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by oldnrusty1 » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:05 pm

Rambler by Thos. B. Jeffery

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:35 pm

It looks foreign to me like the French Delaunay Belleville, or the British Maudslay or Clement Bayard. I vaguely remember louvers in the top hood panel in a Vintage and Veteran or maybe Edwardian cars book.
There are so many U.S. cars that don't recognize the others very well.
The tourists have a look of adventure on their faces.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:41 pm

Well, Ben has a better memory that I. 1905 Rambler Model 1 Five Passenger Surrey.
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