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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:14 pm

Herb's 5:39 post is an International
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:16 pm

Oops, both Herb's posts are at 5:39. The top one is the International.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:05 pm

Herb's second vehicle appears to be an International Auto-Buggy - as opposed to Auto Wagons that have the stubby hood. They could be had with one, two or three seats.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:43 am

Maybe an easy one ? Unusual to have a photo of a car without any people in the pucture. Pretty setting !
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:23 pm

Rich P. Bingham wrote:
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Maybe an easy one ? Unusual to have a photo of a car without any people in the pucture. Pretty setting !
Oldsmobile Model T? 1905/1906?

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:49 pm

It is a one cylinder Cadillac.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:22 pm

Rich Eagle wrote:
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It is a one cylinder Cadillac.
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With a French front? I do see by the frame/chassis how it's a Cadillac however.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:02 am

You fellers amaze me !! I'm a very poor researcher. It seems the Olds T was still a curved dash "merry" Oldsmobile. I found one image of a Model N that appears to have a hood / front end like the one in the old photo, but I can't see details of the chassis. Coachwork on the Caddy Rich posted is quite different, but that doesn't mean much. The chassis is very much the same ! Thanks for "playing", I'm learning a lot from these puzzles !
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:11 pm

Rich B.,

This is an Olds Model T.
The Curved Dash Oldsmobiles were models, R (1901 - 1903), 6C (1904), & B (1905 - 1906).
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:23 pm

Jerry, I only know the misinformation I found on the interweb ! :lol: That's a good side view, the front end and front seat look more like the old photo. Is the jury still out ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:37 pm

Rich P. Bingham wrote:
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Jerry, I only know the misinformation I found on the interweb ! :lol: That's a good side view, the front end and front seat look more like the old photo. Is the jury still out ?
I'm sure Rich Eagle is correct in that it's a Cadillac. I probably just don't know enough about Cadillacs, (and lots of other stuff too :) ), to know of a French Front example.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:19 pm

What's visible of the Olds in the photo you posted sure doesn't look like the Cadillac chassis. I believe Rich nailed it - again ! :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:25 pm

I don't claim to be a Cadillac expert or that of any other make. All I can do is offer what I think I see in these photos. I knew that the photo I posted was not the same body style and might raise questions. This 1902-1908 Cadillac Single Cylinder booklet shows that there were 9 different Models of Cadillac. Most were open runabouts or Touring cars. The first models look almost exactly like a 1903 Model A Ford. Then there was a box front and later variations of a front similar to the Madel C Ford. I haven't ever seen a Frenc Front Cadillac and don't think I see one in Rich's photo.
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I have been around a few of them and noticed the stepped frame near the crank hole and the associated spring mounts and radius rods. Also, the step plate.
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I was surprised when I saw my first hood on a single-cylinder Olds too.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:42 pm

This is what I believe we are seeing behind those Foreign Headlights. Left is a Model E and Right is a model F. Both are 1905 I believe.
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The door to the tanks under the hood and wing nuts, the rail above the dash and the lower apron and radiator can be seen. I believe there are the same.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:57 pm

This 1905 Model F has a body that is much the same.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:29 pm

This might be a good place to tell what little I know about those French Front Oldsmobiles. This one was on the St. George 1&2 Tour in about 1985. It was a rear entrance car as were several including some Cadillacs and Fords.
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A similar hood and rail as the Cad.
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One key difference in Olds cars is their full-length leaf spring units on either side of the car.
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The brass lever is the spark advance which covers the crank hole when advanced to prevent back firing.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:44 pm

Rich, thank you much for posting those photos. Delightful to see ! And very instructive vis-a-vis the "puzzle". I'm amused to learn of the Oldsmobile's full length leaf springs. Some of Studebaker's high-end horse-drawn light vehicles used that design in the same era. It would be interesting to know for sure whose idea it was !
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Dan Haynes » Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:48 pm

Here's one for ya...
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:25 am

That's a good one. I don't recognize it, but it looks like a steam car. I'll do some digging. I hope someone knows.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:01 pm

I can't see how the full length springs would do much for ride quality, but they would provide a very strong and flexible chassis, which would be good with a mid-engined car. That wouldn't explain their use on a horse drawn vehicle, unless it had a very heavy body mounted in the middle of a long wheelbase running gear.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:23 pm

Rich E.,

I'm pleased that I was wrong about the Cadillac! It sparked a great conversation and some interesting pictures. Thank you sir!

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:36 pm

Thanks Jerry, I learn a lot from these conversations and the searches for photos. It's a great way to spend time. After collecting stuff for years, it's fun to go back at look at things and share the info with others who may enjoy it too. Here are some cuts from that instruction book.
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The illustration efforts of 100 years ago plus are so wonderful.
I'm happy you are finding time to guess along too. What could be more fun?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Herb Iffrig » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:22 pm

Sent to Libertyville Iowa in 1910.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Erik Johnson » Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:12 pm

1903-04 Knox on the postcard sent to Libertyville.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by ironhorse » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:37 pm

While cleaning out one of the rooms in the house I found these
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The one on the right was my Stepfathers first car (that's him beside it)
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:52 pm

It's fun to look back into those days, isn't it?
Thanks for posting those.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Herb Iffrig » Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:24 pm

Gotcha now.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Kaiser » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:33 am

French Renault taxicab, one of the famous ' taxis de la Marne" who were commandeered to transport troops to the front in 1914. (French postage stamp in the right upper corner seems to heave a 1915 date stamp, hard to make out for sure)
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:11 pm

New York license. Make, please ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:52 am

It looks like a 1910 Buick Model 17 Touring to me. The NY plate would be likely a 1910 (white on black) or perhaps a 1911 (white on maroon).
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The photo makes the radiator look a bit wider.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:57 am

Thanks Rich !!
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