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"OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:31 pm

Has anyone said, "OK, boomer", to you.

It is a new term to me, and I heard it while in Durham N.C. this past weekend. I asked a girl about it, she said she was a freshman and anticipating taking on a lot of debt in order to get through school. She also said it aggravated her to have Baby Boomers say that she should just get a minimum wage job to get through without debt, college costs are higher than they used to be and there is no way she can work and take 16 hours including calculus. People pf her generation are apparently tired of hearing what they consider hypocritical preaching about what she should do. Hypocritical because the Boomers have set themselves up with socialistic programs like Social Security and Medicare, then want to deny the younger generations any government help while forcing the younger generations to fund the Boomer's retirement. So "OK, boomer" is a response to preachy Boomers that you are a hypocrite and not worth listening to.

No one has said it to me, but I do try to keep in touch with the younger generation and I find it difficult to not get preachy and judgmental with them.

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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by perry kete » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Well two thoughts on this,
First - "Boomers" did NOT set up Social Security to assist them... President Roosevelt signed it into law August 14, 1935 and the term "Boomer" was given 12 years later in 1947 to the generation born after WWII! so once again todays youth doesn't know history!

Second - This generation once again thinks that the government "OWES THEM" The government doesn't owe them anything and they fail to realize that THEY are the government and they will pay for it if not their grandchildren.

I am tired of everyone thinking they are "OWED" something! It's time people get off their fat A$$ and earn their own way!
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Scott_Conger » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:04 pm

I believe that within 2 presidential election cycles, we WILL owe them (that is if you work).

Unfortunately we have allowed Universities to conflate Social Programs with Socialism, which of course are two entirely different things, but an awful lot of new voters do not seem to grasp that and are certainly out to get theirs (which up to this point has actually been "yours").
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Roz » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:05 pm

I paid into social security and Medicare my whole working life, so I’m just now getting some of that back. I am not denying anyone any government benefits. These young folks have the same opportunities to pay into the system just like I did. I also put myself through school with no government debt forgiveness. I agree that young folks now do feel that the government owes them, and the current stock of candidates for office exploit that belief.

Reminds me of the story about the young cashier at the supermarket telling the older lady that she was helping to harm the environment because she didn’t bring her reusable tote to the market and opted to use the store’s plastic bags instead.


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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Burger in Spokane » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:12 pm

Uh, yeah ......

I was informed from abour the age of 10 that at 18, I was on my own. That is pretty much how it
worked out too. Did college. Took no loans. Paid for it by working any odd job I could find. Bought
my own car/s, paid my own rent. Concepts like "if you don't have money, you can't afford it", and
"get back to work, if you want it that bad" were pretty much as basic as breathing. But others around
me lived way beyond their means. Never could understand that.

But for as long as I have been old enough to remember this, I recall adults around me saying that
they wanted their kids to have it better than they did, disconnecting the hard work and sense of
accomplishment of getting ahead in life by handing it to them. I never gave it much thought until
I had my own kids, who brought that BS home with them from kids at school, whose parents did
everything for them and expected nothing from them. Made for some interesting conversations,
explaining to my kids that they chose the wrong parents, .... just as I did. You know, the ones you
want are the ones with trust funds ! Nope, ... sorry kid. No royal bloodlines either. This means
you gotta work like everyone else. It's a rough life, but someone has to clean the toilets in life.

And now it's come home to roost. Boomer means "bad". Hmmm .... Is that like the "white privilege"
I embrace every morning when I drag my sorry ass out of bed and go to work ? What a privilege it is
to have drive and a modicum of ambition ! And where is the sense of pride and shame, for busting your
hump and making something of yourself, as opposed to being a mooch ? Apparently those same parents
that hand it all to their kids and don't teach them things like personal drive and being proud of a job
well done also missed explaining what a freeloader is.

Never saw this one coming, Mr. Obvious ! :roll:
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:41 pm

Glad I was born in 68, after the boomers. I had to look it up. Im in the " boomer bust" catagory. 65- 84. I wont go on because you fellas have hit it on the head. All I know is we are in big trouble as a nation!


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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Well, I do try to see things from the young persons point of view to figure them out.

I was born in '53, so the Vietnam War was a big influence. Early on everyone was gung ho to fight the commies, by the end of the war most of those people were quiet. But, those of us with long hair were considered unAmerican by many in the older generation. At some point that changed, and I think a large part of that influence was country music. I went to college for a year because I was supposed to, but I was no academic, so I ended up in the electrical apprenticeship program.

When I began apprentices were not allowed to have their touch their ears or collar, and no beards. Those rules ended about five years later. I was in violation quite often leading up to the end of those rules, and many of us thought them ridiculous. But to many in the older generation you were a hippy and did not belong in America if you had long hair and a beard. I try to keep that in mind as I see the younger generation now sporting tattoos. I disapprove, but it is not really any of my business.

I have also benefited mightily from white privilege. For example, when I started my apprenticeship there were no blacks doing electrical work. Blacks were not allowed to have good jobs, so us white boys did not have to compete with them. Now there are blacks doing all the trades, plus nursing, and banking, and car sales, and about any job out there.

In 1970 there were so many good jobs available in the Richmond that I could have gone to DuPont, Phillip Morris, Allied, Hercules, ICI, Universal, American Tobacco, Reynolds, or many other large companies and gotten a job where all I had to do was come in, do as told, keep my nose clean, and I would get good enough pay to buy a house, two weeks vacation a years, excellent health care and retirement. Those jobs are pretty much gone.

When I started school in '59 there were two school systems, one for the blacks, and one for the whites. The black schools were inferior, an excellent way to keep them in their place! Poor education and not being allowed to work the good jobs kept blacks down, while whites also benefited from inheritance. Blacks did not have the opportunity to amass enough money to pass a good inheritance on. Many whites did, and still do. Most of the small farms around here are 3rd and 4th generation. It would be very difficult to start with nothing, buy the acreage and equipment needed, and go into farming. Almost all farms around here are inherited. And a lot of those farmers will tell you how hard they worked for it. But wow, not only were these guys given farms, they get some great government subsidies from the taxpayers too!

Now taking what that girl at UNC said at face value, she is very smart and very determined, a hard worker. UNC Chapel Hill is a tough school to get into, unless of course you are a legacy or from a very wealthy family. I don't know her situation, but she was concerned about student loans which I suspect many in her situation are concerned about also. We are not talking about going to Community College, taking landscaping, and working part time cutting grass, then going into business doing lawn maintenance. The odds are that if she got into UNC she is way above average in smarts and people like her are the future leaders of our country.

Social Security is not socialism? The government forces me to pay into a program, gives my money to those already retired, controls how much I get back and when I can get it. Ditto for Medicare. And boomers have supported both of these programs big time. But will the young people coming along get any? Boomers do look out for themselves, "Keep your filthy government hands off my Medicare." But do boomers really care about upcoming generations, or are they spoiled brats looking out for themselves?

I know many white boomers spoiled by inheritance who were crappy parents and as the inheritance dwindles over the years they realize their children might have to work as hard as everyone else, competing with blacks, Latinos, and Asians. Their world is disappearing.

So I try to sympathize with these young people who are coming of age and realizing what is going on in the world. We boomers have not exactly left them in a good situation like we had.
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Post by Burger in Spokane » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:37 pm

All valid points Tom, but it is tough to be so generalized. While I would not say the black kids
I grew up with did not feel out-of-sorts, if not outright "kept down" because of the color of their
skin, there were few, as compared to other areas, and they pretty much were "part of the gang",
as far as I saw it. Ethnic minority friends never complained to us friends of feeling cheated or "less
than". But I would not dispute that it was very different in other areas. I saw it in my travels, even
as a kid.

My comment was directed more at excuse making for not pushing oneself to succeed. I left home
with a box of clothes that my parents bought. Everything else I had worked for, except that drive
to make life better. My parents gave me that too. What I am saying with this is, at least at our house,
there was no "privilege" at all. Get out, get going, good luck ! But to recognize "the other side" of
the argument, I had silver spoon friends who had all the advantages. All of them were pasty white,
and I suppose one might base the white privilege argument there. But that is lumping a lot of people
like myself into that group, just because of skin color. More racial BS ? Who needs it ? None of this
should be about ethnicity. It should be about what is inside a person, and their character.

Bottom line, ... character matters. Not skin color, nothing else. Mooches and dirtbags come in all
colors, and success is an equal opportunity situation, IF a person applies themselves. At least that
is how it works in my world. I saw some ugly stuff when I spent a couple summers in NC as a kid. I
still wince, thinking about it.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:51 pm

Socialism -
noun:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Regardless of how one feels about it, Social Security is not Socialism. Living in reality, simply believing that a thing is something else, does not make it so.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:08 pm

Contrary to popular opinion, especially among seniors, Social Security is not a retirement program. No one “contributes” into a Social Security retirement fund, which then earns interest, and then is later available during one’s retirement years. Moreover, there are no individual lockboxes at Fort Knox with each person’s name on them containing his Social Security “contributions.”
Social Security is nothing more than a socialist program, no different from food stamps and public housing. It uses government to forcibly take money from people to whom it belongs and gives it to people to whom it does not belong. That’s classic socialism, in that it embodies the Marxian principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
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Post by bud delong » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 pm

I think it's just a means of paying it forward.When your young and you think your bullet proof your young mind might not be fully developed yet.If social security is that wrong when you get old enough just don't take it,problem solved!! It was already built for me and all i ever did was pay it forward for myself and others to enjoy! If it's your turn to pay it forward please don't cry just step up to the plate and do your share because your time will come!!PS,Thank You!!! :D Bud. :D


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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:49 pm

“That's classic Socialism...From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
Not so. There is a maximum income that is affected/taxed, and the recipient recieves it whether they need it or not, and no more or less, than their employment income dictates, regardless.

If someone simply ignores dictionary definitions of words and makes up their own, they simply cannot lose a debate, right? Myself, I live in a world where words have meanings, and then use them.

Marx probably said "I love you" to someone at some point of his life (though his life didn't bear out that there was much love in his heart). That doesn't mean "Love" equals Socialism.

Social Security is not Socialism.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Roz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:58 pm

” take money from people to whom it belongs and gives it to people to whom it does not belong.”

Not so. Some of it belongs to me and I’m collecting.


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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:55 pm

Scott_Conger wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:49 pm
“That's classic Socialism...From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
Not so. There is a maximum income that is affected/taxed, and the recipient recieves it whether they need it or not, and no more or less, than their employment income dictates, regardless.

If someone simply ignores dictionary definitions of words and makes up their own, they simply cannot lose a debate, right? Myself, I live in a world where words have meanings, and then use them.

Marx probably said "I love you" to someone at some point of his life (though his life didn't bear out that there was much love in his heart). That doesn't mean "Love" equals Socialism.

Social Security is not Socialism.

OK Boomer.

Heh heh, had to say that!


So, boomers have presided over a political system which gives them a system of getting money from the younger generation, but the younger generation will probably not get any money from the system when they retire. That system is not socialistic, but it involves the government forcefully taking from the young to pay the old. So we won't call it socialism because that just aggravates the elderly who like to think they deserve this money.

Dubious that the younger generation is going to quibble over meaning of words, they are getting screwed by the older generation and they know it. And they are tired of hearing the self-righteous preaching of that entitled generation.

How about that, does that sound better?
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:24 am

While the pedants divert by arguing over word meaning,


“While Social Security’s long-term financing imbalance has been well-known for more than a quarter-century, policymakers have generally managed to dodge the issue. . . . What we have been doing is running up a bill that our children, their children and, in turn, their children are going to have to pay.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

Are boomers taking care of themselves at their children's and grandchildren's expense?

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Post by Rich Bingham » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:20 am

You tell 'em, Tom.

You're the best and the brightest, and you're always right about everything. No need to offer other points of view. Thanks for posting. :idea:
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:32 am

Rich Bingham wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:20 am
You tell 'em, Tom.

You're the best and the brightest, and you're always right about everything. No need to offer other points of view. Thanks for posting. :idea:
Thanks! I do hear that a lot! And of course I agree.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:45 am

Tom

now that we agree on the meaning of words and agree that Social Security is not Socialist, we can have a discussion.

Social Security was never sustainable as designed, is in worse shape due to mismanagement, and in fact, younger boomers like myself, are seeing the FRA raised on them. Thus, they are beginning to feel the pain that will continue to get worse for the younger generations. Your college friend is complaining about cuts that she fears, but has not experienced. My guess is that she doesn't appreciate that perhaps some of those raids have paid for her Gov't backed college tuition, either

Now, to blame a generation (the boomers) that neither devised it, nor has EVER had a vote on it, is kind of misguided. The fund has been raided of something like 2 Trillion $ by politicians. I never got to vote on those raids, either, so don't try to lay your Boomer $^&t on me, my friend.

Your college friend is complaining about cuts that she fears, but has not actually experienced. My guess is that she doesn't appreciate that perhaps some of those raids have paid for her Gov't backed college tuition, either, or that Gov't backed tuition for all, is the genesis of higher college costs. I'm guessing she is not going for a degree that involved Economics or requires the use of logic. This is what participation trophies will get you.

I do appreciate your keeping this stuff in the OT area, though. It's nice to see T stuff in the T section and the Goofy Stuff in the Goofy Section.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Burger in Spokane » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:16 pm

Tom Hicks wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:24 am
While the pedants divert by arguing over word meaning,


“While Social Security’s long-term financing imbalance has been well-known for more than a quarter-century, policymakers have generally managed to dodge the issue. . . . What we have been doing is running up a bill that our children, their children and, in turn, their children are going to have to pay.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

Are boomers taking care of themselves at their children's and grandchildren's expense?

Don't worry, it is not socialism, so it's OK!!!
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Hmmmm .... what they're saying is, politicians have reappropriated funds for "other projects" ?

I cannot believe this is true ! :shock: When did this sort of underhanded tomfoolery start
happening ? And let me get this straight, ... the gubmint "enrolls" me in a mandatory program,
then absconds with the dough, leaving mine and future generations in a questionable position
about paying into it and who will get their money back ??? Say it ain't so ! :roll:

Of all the things I have going on in my life, I am failing to see how this is within my control to
do anything about, and by extension, why I would spend a moment of my time getting worked
up about it. I will take care of my own financial health, just as I feel everyone should. What
this sideshow of governmental "safety net" does is , for all practical purposes, outside the scope
of my concern.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Tom Hicks » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:42 pm

Scott_Conger wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:45 am
Tom

now that we agree on the meaning of words and agree that Social Security is not Socialist, we can have a discussion.

Social Security was never sustainable as designed, is in worse shape due to mismanagement, and in fact, younger boomers like myself, are seeing the FRA raised on them. Thus, they are beginning to feel the pain that will continue to get worse for the younger generations. Your college friend is complaining about cuts that she fears, but has not experienced. My guess is that she doesn't appreciate that perhaps some of those raids have paid for her Gov't backed college tuition, either

Now, to blame a generation (the boomers) that neither devised it, nor has EVER had a vote on it, is kind of misguided. The fund has been raided of something like 2 Trillion $ by politicians. I never got to vote on those raids, either, so don't try to lay your Boomer $^&t on me, my friend.

Your college friend is complaining about cuts that she fears, but has not actually experienced. My guess is that she doesn't appreciate that perhaps some of those raids have paid for her Gov't backed college tuition, either, or that Gov't backed tuition for all, is the genesis of higher college costs. I'm guessing she is not going for a degree that involved Economics or requires the use of logic. This is what participation trophies will get you.

I do appreciate your keeping this stuff in the OT area, though. It's nice to see T stuff in the T section and the Goofy Stuff in the Goofy Section.
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Roz » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:03 pm

Now don’t get me wrong, I am NOT calling anyone names. I’m just saying I’d rather be a boomer than a troll, but that’s just me.

I am in line with the way of thinking that says I didn’t ask to be born, I didn’t design the social security system, I didn’t vote for it, I don’t control it, and I have no say in it, so I’ll just sit on my fat a$$ and collect it!

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Re: "OK, boomer" Think about this.

Post by vech » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:05 pm

I consider Social security a government Ponzi scheme. When it was started, a lot of people never made it to 65 years old, and they got to keep the money. Those that did make it, and started collecting, never lived long enough to get back the amount they paid in. That's why they keep raising the retirement age...

What no one mentioned, or perhaps thought about, is how inflation and the government screws you when it comes to Social Security.
You pay them dollars all those years, with a greater buying power, than the money they give back to you.

Go here http://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1968?amount=1 you can put in any amount, any year, and it will tell you the equivalent buying power in 2019 money...

U.S. Inflation Rate, $1 in 1968 to 2019

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index, today's prices in 2019 are 637.81% higher than average prices throughout 1968. The dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 4.00% per year during this period, meaning the real value of a dollar decreased.

In other words, $1 in 1968 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $7.38 in 2019, a difference of $6.38 over 51 years.

The 1968 inflation rate was 4.19%. The current inflation rate (2018 to 2019) is now 1.71%1. If this number holds, $1 today will be equivalent in buying power to $1.02 next year.
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Re: "OK, boomer" Think about this.

Post by Tom Hicks » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:32 pm

vech wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:05 pm
I consider Social security a government Ponzi scheme. When it was started, a lot of people never made it to 65 years old, and they got to keep the money. Those that did make it, and started collecting, never lived long enough to get back the amount they paid in. That's why they keep raising the retirement age...

What no one mentioned, or perhaps thought about, is how inflation and the government screws you when it comes to Social Security.
You pay them dollars all those years, with a greater buying power, than the money they give back to you.

Go here http://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1968?amount=1 you can put in any amount, any year, and it will tell you the equivalent buying power in 2019 money...

U.S. Inflation Rate, $1 in 1968 to 2019

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index, today's prices in 2019 are 637.81% higher than average prices throughout 1968. The dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 4.00% per year during this period, meaning the real value of a dollar decreased.

In other words, $1 in 1968 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $7.38 in 2019, a difference of $6.38 over 51 years.

The 1968 inflation rate was 4.19%. The current inflation rate (2018 to 2019) is now 1.71%1. If this number holds, $1 today will be equivalent in buying power to $1.02 next year.
That may all be true, but let us look at the facts:

1. Social Security is NOT socialism
2. Baby Boomers had no control or voice over what has happened to SS by the government.
3. Ditto for Medicare
4. Boomers have not been looking out for themselves, these programs were forced on them, they are not responsible.
5. Young people are getting screwed, so accuse them of being lazy, spoiled, getting participation trophies, or whatever. Divert and make them pay for us older people.
6 Boomers deserve a good retirement paid for by future generations!
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Re: "OK, boomer"

Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:49 pm

6 Boomers deserve a good retirement paid for by future generations!
Paid for exactly as designed, by the same people as it always has been.

too bad it is not sustainable

or, if life on earth ends in 12 years as I hear it will, it's design was genius. So why complain?
Scott Conger

Full Flow Float Valves - deliver fuel like Henry intended!

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