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It is a Republic, around 1916. I can't make out the license plate, though.
It is a Republic, around 1916. I can't make out the license plate, though.
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That cowl screams Republic. Many had the cast radiator shell with the fins.
How about a Minnesota plate?
How about a Minnesota plate?
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HERE'S ONE AT AUCTION,
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I HAD A FRIEND ,HAROLD MOREL A FIRST WORLD WAR VET, I LOVED VISITING WITH HIM-HE TALKED ABOUT THE JEFFERY QUAD , AND HE WAS A DRIVER OF ONE,AND HOW IT COULD DOG TRACK , IT HAD A IMPULSE MAG, HE SAID YOU WOULD BRING THE CRANK UP TO THE TOP ANS SLOWLY BRING IT OVER AND IT WOULD SNAP AND SHE WAS RUNNING- HE HAD SOME CHILLING STORY'S.
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A big ugly beast with beautiful eyes?
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Pretty Cool! There's not much hood. Engine under seat?
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It's a brand-new Walker Electric 3.5 ton chassis, Model P. 12 mph, 40 - 50 miles per charge.
Washington, D.C. passed a local Prohibition ordinance, and National Capital Brewing Company transitioned in May 1917 to producing ice cream instead of beer. Carry's Ice Cream was produced for only one year, after which Albert Carry sold it. The facility became the Meadowgold Dairy until the 1960s.
Washington, D.C. passed a local Prohibition ordinance, and National Capital Brewing Company transitioned in May 1917 to producing ice cream instead of beer. Carry's Ice Cream was produced for only one year, after which Albert Carry sold it. The facility became the Meadowgold Dairy until the 1960s.
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Love the coal delivery truck. It looks like it has removable dividers in the dump bed so you can haul 3 loads to different customers with only one trip from the coal tipple and it lifts high enough to get the coal into the basement on the coal chute.
Don't forget to rattle the grate in the furnace to get rid of the clinkers!
Don't forget to rattle the grate in the furnace to get rid of the clinkers!
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Here is something different for this thread, a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxOB5u9kaE
I think you will agree it is not OT for this OT thread.
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I should've signed in and thanked him!
UPSIDE-DOWN. That old 6 should not have started that nicely!
Cool!
UPSIDE-DOWN. That old 6 should not have started that nicely!
Cool!
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Caption claims 1915 White 5 ton. The heavy channel frame looks like it's earning it's pay.
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The proud driver's rig looks like one of a fleet ? I'd sure like to know the make and year. It's always amused me how many of the early trucks placed headlights high and on the cowl like this one. Perhaps to keep them out of harm's way in rough working situations ? The kerosene running lamps have a bail, indicating usefulness as a carry-around lantern when needed. Great photo !! Thanks again, Herb !!
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OUCH! Department of Public Safety? It might be a Model 30 Cadillac but I can't be sure.
"Things" Happen don't they.
"Things" Happen don't they.
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Wouldn't it be great to have this photo explained ? A barrel ?!? A BARREL on top of the van ?!?
My dad used to remark on accidents where a party ". . . wrapped their car around a lamp-post . . ." an expression that likely originated in this era. Photos like these show it happened not infrequently!
My dad used to remark on accidents where a party ". . . wrapped their car around a lamp-post . . ." an expression that likely originated in this era. Photos like these show it happened not infrequently!
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It might have happened in the Tri-Burg area?
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That's quite a load it's carrying. My curiosity got the better of me and I discovered it is a Peerless truck. Maybe a 1911 or so.
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There it is again, a huge "cyclops" headlight mounted high up. I wonder if oncoming travelers might have feared a locomotive had jumped the tracks !
I'm assuming the Peerless truck was made by the same folks who made the automobile. Interestingly, when the "Three P's" dominated the market for luxury/prestige automobiles, Packard, Peerless and Pierce-Arrow also made heavy trucks. Seems counter-intuitive. Could you imagine Harley Earl designing a ten-ton 1959 Cadillac truck ?
I'm assuming the Peerless truck was made by the same folks who made the automobile. Interestingly, when the "Three P's" dominated the market for luxury/prestige automobiles, Packard, Peerless and Pierce-Arrow also made heavy trucks. Seems counter-intuitive. Could you imagine Harley Earl designing a ten-ton 1959 Cadillac truck ?
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Once again Herb your truck pictures are great, thanks for posting them.
I look at that big truck with the tall load and wonder how many of them flipped on to their side when they drove down a soft muddy road.
I look at that big truck with the tall load and wonder how many of them flipped on to their side when they drove down a soft muddy road.
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Like the WW1 ambulances, the military used many different makes of trucks. Perhaps suppliers couldn't make them fast enough. Those look more like Peerless than others I'm familiar with. These Peerless's have the high dash and other similarities. Note the Peerless name on front cross member. Even these two have different radiators which shows how even the same maker varied things.
Also, there were a lot of French, British and other trucks built over seas that show up in war photos.When did I do that?
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OK, Peeps .... what did this one start out as ?
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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Iron Ore!Burger in Spokane wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:31 pmOK, Peeps .... what did this one start out as ?
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True enough Perry!
Neat image Burger and a really nice truck/express box.
Dodge or Overland? Just by the shape of the windshield stanchions that go straight down thru the top of the body with nuts and cotters underneath. The gas tank filler also I guess. An Overland'ish rad cap? I could be completely full of beans.
And oilers for the front wheel bearings?
Beautiful wheels!
Gosh, it had to be a little like skating with the iron wheels and steel rails. Skating away, on the thin ice of the day. Ian A.
Neat image Burger and a really nice truck/express box.
Dodge or Overland? Just by the shape of the windshield stanchions that go straight down thru the top of the body with nuts and cotters underneath. The gas tank filler also I guess. An Overland'ish rad cap? I could be completely full of beans.
And oilers for the front wheel bearings?
Beautiful wheels!
Gosh, it had to be a little like skating with the iron wheels and steel rails. Skating away, on the thin ice of the day. Ian A.
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[attachment=0]meadows truck.JPG[/attachmen This one might have been seen before.
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Photo caption states "5-ton Packard truck loading ore at Wardner (Idaho) 1914".
Probably a postcard.
Probably a postcard.
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What a monster. I understand that the 5 ton would have used a 431.9ci T4 40hp engine. A "T" head like the Model Thirty Packard I'm guessing. It would be fun to see one of those.
Nice colorization for that era.
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Nice colorization for that era.
Thanks for sharing it.
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Here's a big load of wool ! I'm impressed with how it's lashed down. No idea of the make, it may be "down under" to make the puzzle a little more baffling.
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Safety First!
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Kid-catcher on a Packard truck. I wonder if that device was ever successfully deployed in a real-life situation ??
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Look how this one has cables to lift the bed.
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I don't recall seeing a Grabowsky truck before.
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You have seen more Grabowski trucks than that you aware of..
In 1902 the Grabowski brothers started the Rapid Motor Vehicle Company, which later changed to the Grabowski Motor Vehicle Company, GMC for short, ring a bell ?
In 1902 the Grabowski brothers started the Rapid Motor Vehicle Company, which later changed to the Grabowski Motor Vehicle Company, GMC for short, ring a bell ?
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Some nice footage of an early twenties fifth wheel trailer system, quite nifty !
Lots of different trucks, i see an AC Mack, a B Mack i think and several others
https://youtu.be/ks_iD1WuunU
Lots of different trucks, i see an AC Mack, a B Mack i think and several others
https://youtu.be/ks_iD1WuunU
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WOW! that is great trucking video of the '20's. I like how the dolly wheels automatically fold up as the tractor backs in under and unfold when they pull out.
Thanks for sharing
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What a treat to see them in motion!
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It really is a treat to see them in motion. There are several locations
around town where mirrored windows on building fronts allow me to see
my truck in 3/4 angle views, as I pass by. I really enjoy seeing it in motion,
particularly the wheel spokes spinning.
around town where mirrored windows on building fronts allow me to see
my truck in 3/4 angle views, as I pass by. I really enjoy seeing it in motion,
particularly the wheel spokes spinning.
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Herb Iffrig wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:28 pmLook how this one has cables to lift the bed.Town of Lodi.JPG
I think it is Lodi NJ.
Probably the hoist with cables was a Gar-Wood type. I had one on my 1.5 ton 41 Ford. Similar design.
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Thank you for the information in the ad. Old ads are interesting.
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Mark, thanks much for posting that ! Very helpful to understand how things were done before hydraulics became universal.
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You guys are very good at deciphering truck mfgr's. What do you think this truck is? Badly bent starting crank.
At least the frame was there to prevent the squashing of the headlamp when it hit.
A Case tractor dealership carrying a 12-25 to an unsuspecting owner.
Fantastic runners, in the right hands. Two cylinder opposed. Some were never used hard, in the wrong hands.
Side note for the person in the doorway: How many seconds did it take to capture the image on film?
At least the frame was there to prevent the squashing of the headlamp when it hit.
A Case tractor dealership carrying a 12-25 to an unsuspecting owner.
Fantastic runners, in the right hands. Two cylinder opposed. Some were never used hard, in the wrong hands.
Side note for the person in the doorway: How many seconds did it take to capture the image on film?
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No idea on the truck, but then I never do ! What a great picture ! Is the location identified ?
Maybe the crank has some kind of folding knuckle extension ?
Great tractor. What a beast !! Is it coming in for repairs ? Lots of earth on the wheels, like it was loaded up out if the field.
Most "snapshots" of the era would have been taken at 1/25 or 1/30 of a second, fast enough if the subject holds still, too slow for someone walking off.
Maybe the crank has some kind of folding knuckle extension ?
Great tractor. What a beast !! Is it coming in for repairs ? Lots of earth on the wheels, like it was loaded up out if the field.
Most "snapshots" of the era would have been taken at 1/25 or 1/30 of a second, fast enough if the subject holds still, too slow for someone walking off.
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Nice ! another Seagrave, the combined front sprocket/brakedrum is the giveaway, only Seagrave used that setup.
By the way the truck with the tractor on its back is probably a Case, it says so on the side if the 'seat' and i think the cranck handle is not damaged but one that can be folded away.
By the way the truck with the tractor on its back is probably a Case, it says so on the side if the 'seat' and i think the cranck handle is not damaged but one that can be folded away.
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Thanks for the identification Leo !
Case also made an automobile for a short time. I think you're right about the crank on that truck. It's all pretty fascinating !
Case also made an automobile for a short time. I think you're right about the crank on that truck. It's all pretty fascinating !
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You have to love the signwriting on the side of the seat of the Seagrave; it says 'STAY OFF !'
It seems to me it is a heavy hauler from a circus, looks like it has a ballast box on the back and is that the Big Top in back ?
It seems to me it is a heavy hauler from a circus, looks like it has a ballast box on the back and is that the Big Top in back ?
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Yes that is a "big Top" circus tent in the back. The picture was taken by Basil Clemons in Brackenridge TX U.S.A. during the '20s. Forum member "TXGOAT2" posted a link in the off topic section about his photography and I went to the sight and spent way too much time looking at his over 4500 photos. This truck was one of them.
Yes that is a "big Top" circus tent in the back. The picture was taken by Basil Clemons in Brackenridge TX U.S.A. during the '20s. Forum member "TXGOAT2" posted a link in the off topic section about his photography and I went to the sight and spent way too much time looking at his over 4500 photos. This truck was one of them.
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I know I have seen that TT photo before. But I do not recall the source or caption. It appears to be a very early over-axle wishbone TT and could even have been built in 1917.
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I think that photo or one like it was in "Henry's Wonderful Model T".
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I knew that photo, but noticed something, someone blocked out the writing on the bed.
Took some digging to find one that had the original writing, but here it is;
It is a Ford factory picture of one of the first TT's, they were used at the factory, probably as a sort of test period before putting them on the market.
Took some digging to find one that had the original writing, but here it is;
It is a Ford factory picture of one of the first TT's, they were used at the factory, probably as a sort of test period before putting them on the market.
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That is a popular photo. Along with several books it appears in it is listed on 93 web sites including: conceptcarz.com, Car and Driver, collectorsautosupply.com, Ford Motor Company, pinterest.com, autodaynews.com as well as many foreign sites. It is interesting how things get around. What makes an image well liked is always surprising to me. My photos and paintings pop up in various places. Sometimes they are for sale.
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The cowl on that truck, would that be specific to the early trucks? I pulled one out of the woods about 10 years ago, it had that same cowl with no evidence of a windshield. It had a later Canadian engine, I'll have to stop by my friend and see if it was an early rear axle,
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It looks like a standard Touring/Runabout cowl to me. 1915 to 1922 when the high hood and radiator were introduced.
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I had a TT for a few years, and it served me well. I sold it because it really wasn't meeting my needs at the time. But I have always wanted to get another one.
Many years ago, before the South Bay Area was overtaken by urban sprawl, and old orchards dotted the area. I used to ride my bicycle all over the area and found a lot of old model TT orchard trucks. In about ten years time, nearly all of them disappeared. But when I could look at a lot of them, I saw that quite a few of them had common Ford runabout bodies on them, with the back turtle deck area cut off. As I learned more and more about model Ts, and learned that Ford did not supply bodies for the first several years of model TTs, I asked questions. It seems that during those earlier TT years, rather than spend good money for a custom wooden cab for the farmer's truck, they would often cobble something together out of whatever was available cheap. Often, what was available cheap was the body from a worn out or wrecked local model T.
I always figured if I got another TT chassis, I wanted to set it up with a runabout body on it.
I would suspect that when Ford's experimental and design department was building and testing the TT prototypes, they might have used the common open car cowl for it. They were probably lying around handy
Many years ago, before the South Bay Area was overtaken by urban sprawl, and old orchards dotted the area. I used to ride my bicycle all over the area and found a lot of old model TT orchard trucks. In about ten years time, nearly all of them disappeared. But when I could look at a lot of them, I saw that quite a few of them had common Ford runabout bodies on them, with the back turtle deck area cut off. As I learned more and more about model Ts, and learned that Ford did not supply bodies for the first several years of model TTs, I asked questions. It seems that during those earlier TT years, rather than spend good money for a custom wooden cab for the farmer's truck, they would often cobble something together out of whatever was available cheap. Often, what was available cheap was the body from a worn out or wrecked local model T.
I always figured if I got another TT chassis, I wanted to set it up with a runabout body on it.
I would suspect that when Ford's experimental and design department was building and testing the TT prototypes, they might have used the common open car cowl for it. They were probably lying around handy
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It was common practice for many firms to build just a truck chassis and leave the cab and bed to a body builder or the customer. White Motor company didn't build any cabs that I know of. Builders concentrating on wood bodies could do what they did best to suit the customer. Ford didn't need to add a body department for trucks until they were selling enough to make it worth while. Taking on extra tasks at the wrong time can prove distracting and a financial disadvantage.
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Perhaps the introduction of the TT was seen as tentative ? I always thought their first year was 1917, a couple of posts on these boards have stated none were actually delivered until 1918. With the end of WW I, suddenly there was a glut of surplus trucks made by Packard and Pierce-Arrow among others. The surplus affected the truck market into the mid-'20s.
I often wondered when the factory "C" cabs appeared. They definitely used a lot of open car sheet metal.
I often wondered when the factory "C" cabs appeared. They definitely used a lot of open car sheet metal.
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One source says "January 11, 1917, Ford announced it’s one-ton-chassis, later called the Model TT. The new Model TT went on sale on July 27, 1917 for $600."
The descriptions in the various appearances of the photo in question differ. Some call it a '17, some an '18.
The MTFCA Encyclopedia says "The Model TT truck appeared in the catalogs for the first time in 1918. The truck was not new this year, though. It had been built in 1917 but most, if not all, production went to the war effort." That may have influenced the perception at the time.
And "SEP 9 1916 Acc. 1701. Model T Releases, Ford Archives The new steering gear case is specified for the Model H truck. Apparently the TT truck was initially called the Model H..."
The descriptions in the various appearances of the photo in question differ. Some call it a '17, some an '18.
The MTFCA Encyclopedia says "The Model TT truck appeared in the catalogs for the first time in 1918. The truck was not new this year, though. It had been built in 1917 but most, if not all, production went to the war effort." That may have influenced the perception at the time.
And "SEP 9 1916 Acc. 1701. Model T Releases, Ford Archives The new steering gear case is specified for the Model H truck. Apparently the TT truck was initially called the Model H..."
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Those look like Cadillac wheels and the platform leaf-spring rear suspension. I see they made some armored cars on Cadillac chassis.
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One from a different angle.
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Thanks Herb !! Mighty light load for that huge Packard truck !
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That would be a hard truck to drive in a town with narrow streets and sharp bends. You wonder how they even turned the street corner.
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Great pics.
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Looks like a delivery of a station bench. I always admired the tall backs in train or bus stations.
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I chopped this out of a meme...said it was a 1890s garbage truck. I don’t think so. But it’s cool !
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Two men walking alongside dumping cans of garbage into the large openings, I can see it being a garbage truck. Interesting configuration on the dump mechanism just in front of the rear wheels.
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I think this may be the same truck but from the 20's
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could be a Garford but if it was then NYC would have closed in the cab and added the dump body
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"Front axle surrounded by cats?"
One thing for certain, the truck wasn't running...
If anyone likes these things, the power unit engine was figured to be a D11000. Also used in the 75 horse tractor and RD8's.
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One thing for certain, the truck wasn't running...
If anyone likes these things, the power unit engine was figured to be a D11000. Also used in the 75 horse tractor and RD8's.
A new Jimmy and a new Cat.
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A flag is obscuring the radiator. It might be another Packard.
Along with what my Bus was when I bought it are some other YPC Service trucks. It gives an idea what was used from 1916 to 1927. I have decided mine (top two) was modified while still owned by the Park Co. If so it may have had historical value in that form by now. The wrecker frame used a TT truck rear end driven by a 30's Ford truck transmission with PTO. What fun it was to put both transmissions in low and watch it crawl along.
This was posted early in this thread and I see now the utility hoist and boxes are similar to one above.
https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/download/file. ... &mode=view
When we visited the YPC Transportation Facility in the 1980's we saw other rigs. One was simply a bus sawed off behind the front seat and the rear axle assembly welded to the end of the frame. It was a mule for pushing or pulling busses around where needed. Sadly, no body has been allowed to preserve or tinker with those old creatures. It's not a priority or on their agenda. Management sees no profit there nor appreciates their history.
I wish I had better photos of them.
Along with what my Bus was when I bought it are some other YPC Service trucks. It gives an idea what was used from 1916 to 1927. I have decided mine (top two) was modified while still owned by the Park Co. If so it may have had historical value in that form by now. The wrecker frame used a TT truck rear end driven by a 30's Ford truck transmission with PTO. What fun it was to put both transmissions in low and watch it crawl along.
This was posted early in this thread and I see now the utility hoist and boxes are similar to one above.
https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/download/file. ... &mode=view
When we visited the YPC Transportation Facility in the 1980's we saw other rigs. One was simply a bus sawed off behind the front seat and the rear axle assembly welded to the end of the frame. It was a mule for pushing or pulling busses around where needed. Sadly, no body has been allowed to preserve or tinker with those old creatures. It's not a priority or on their agenda. Management sees no profit there nor appreciates their history.
I wish I had better photos of them.
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Wow a truck load of bagged coal...a lot of naughty children at Christmas!
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Here is a similar one in San Diego, early 1910s.
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf19 ... uck/759526
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This link to RM shows some of the Autocar details:https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf19 ... uck/759526
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