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Proposed Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar in the future if there is sufficient interest to warrant preparation and hosting.


Proposed Topics

1. Coil Testing
   1. Capacitor Value/Leakage - When to replace capacitor
   2. Coil Firing Time/Consistency - When to adjust points

1. Coil Point Inspection/Refurbishing - When to replace points
2. New Coil Point Preparation/Replacement
3. Proper Coil Point Geometry
4. Coil Adjustment
   1. Double Sparking, Arcing
   2. Adjusting Firing Time
   3. Adjusting Firing Consistency

Unlike instructional videos, Webinars permit Interactive Q&A, opportunity to discuss lessons learned, best practices and share results.

Register in advance for this webinar:
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/registe ... a4ZkJXK9pw

Take me to school, Mike.

I would definitely be interested in this.

Always interested in learning something new.

Sure! Always interested in learning a new way to learn!

count me in

I'll be there!

I’m interested.

John

That's funny i'am working on my coils right now. Happy Oh that's my car name was running fine until l i painted the dash, got over spray every were! cleaned every thing down look's good again. Started Happy up, runs fine off idle started to back fire! started back fireing popping out carb dam i messed up. Well i did not put the switch back in the dash yet i knew what it was the same thing happen when it rained so i look at the coils covered with paint and over spray i covered it with a towel bummer started it again turned off the lights in the garage look like a lighten storm all over the coin boxes called it a night lol next day cleaned every thing! The black paint on top of boxes took a hit checked amps sounded real good at 2 amps real good sounding spark and i shock my self again lol well time to go and put the coils back in and see how it runs Heck yes i need the coil testing webinar

I am interested to learn something new....N.

I'm interested

I am interested.

100% Count me in Mike! I know some others not here on the Form that would also want to joint.

Thanks

I’m in mike !

Count me in too!

Thanks for offering - I'm in
Bron Prokuski

Wow, I'll clean my glasses and I'm in !!!!! Bob Jablonski

Count me in as well, looking forward to it!!!!!!!!!!!

Please add me to the list

Thanks for all the replies. It appears sufficient interest does exist to begin preparation. Since this is an interactive activity, I would like to invite a few folks to participate by checking their inventory of spare Model T parts for coils with used sets of coil points (later production points with 1" diameter vibrator spring) of varying degrees of wear to serve as examples for the Coil Point Inspection/Refurbishing segment. Specifically, coil point sets with:

1. Minor wear (gray smooth surface)
2. Moderate wear (gray, lightly pitted surface)
3. Heavy wear (dark gray with moderate pit on one contact and deposition of metal on the mating contact)
4. Severe wear (large, deep pit(s) on one or both contact surfaces

Another topic suggestion for this or future Webinar is:
Viewer submitted coils for test/diagnosis and if possible, adjustment. This segment would be the opportunity for a couple viewers to find out why swapping out that one odd ball coil solved their engine performance issue.

Only a few examples of each are needed for the Webinar so if you have some of the items sought and would like to donate sets of used coil points or have your problem coil diagnosed live (and returned), please let me know via email: Mictel (the at sign) Comcast period Net

Mike I would love to hear about point tension and cushion spring adjustment on time to fire and double sparking.

John

Yes please old dog looking for new tricks

I would be very interested.

I'm interested.

Well i did not bench test coil box hardly any spark will not start take out and bench test box and coils tomorrow still interested

Great I idea Mike!

I am interested. I imagine no matter when you have it some will not be able to attend. Is it possible to have a recording? I know this is a feature on Zoom, but might require the paid version.

Thanks for offering.

Matt

Matt

AdminJeff put their Webinar on youtube, so it can be done. I think Mike already has some videos on youtube, but they are pretty short.

I am sure Mike will find some way to do it. He is pretty computer savvy.

Sounds good to me!

Thank you for such a valuable experience, to learn from the collective knowledge and wisdom in an area many of us do not totally understand.
I'm in and grateful.

I received notice that MTFCA Webinars will be subject to the same rules that apply to the Forum. That means vendors, suppliers and developers of Model T products or services offered for sale commercially are ineligible to provide content for MTFCA hosted Webinars.

The coil testing/tuning topics I proposed would in fact use tools I developed and offered commercially so the proposed Webinar was declined. Alternately, Vendors, suppliers and developers of Model T products and services are invited to host their own Webinars and advertise the event in the MTFCA Classifieds. Unfortunately, I don't have time at present to learn/host/moderate a Webinar in addition to preparing the Webinar content. Unless someone has Zoom hosting/moderating experience and would like to collaborate privately, I will have to defer Hosting my own coil testing/tuning Webinar to share my knowledge and techniques to the future.

I would assume that also means that you cannot give a presentation at the Museum and neither can any other vendor. So if the gentleman from Classtique wanted to show how to upholster a seat, that would also be declined. Then Brent Mize or Ron Patterson also could not demonstrate anything to do with coils at the Museum or at the homecomings. I would consider that a loss for the club. Too bad. Some rules are just wrong.

I rather expected the MTFCA supported webinar would be turned down as it would include using tool(s) sold by Mike and would be considered advertising. A distinction between that and Ron or Brent demonstrating coil rebuild or tuning would be that they sell a service (which they are telling you how to do yourself) rather than selling a product and they would not e permitted to pitch "send your coils to me". I have great respect for Mike and have used his E-Timer successfully and if I still ran T coils I'd buy his ECCT. I also have great respect for Ron and Brent and while I haven't used their services I appreciate their support of the hobby.

Please don't let this turn into another P'in match on the forum.

What if someone else who has your product, knows how to use it, and doesn't sell them or get any compensation from you do the webcast demo. Would that be permitted? That way we still get to see the "How To" with no sales presentation involved.

Buy the book ($12), and buy someone's coil adjustment equipment ($300+ depending on type and source): https://modeltstore.myshopify.com/produ ... ce-manuals and do it yourself or pay $58 each for someone else to do them.

not a big deal

In fact, considering the value of parts supplied with a rebuilt coil. the remaining $$ for the labor paid to someone who knows what their doing to rebuild one is an absolute steal, which is why I will not do another one for anyone. Kudos to those who do.

I've never watched any of them, but a quick search on YouTube brought up any number of "How To" videos on how to rebuild the coils. I expect that they range from poor to very good.

Problem Solved.

I have all your goodies & would love to learn how to use them! Count Me In - John

Just so everyone knows, we are working on the logistics of holding this seminar between myself, Jeff, the board and Mike K.

Chris

Thank you Chris. A win-win proposal for everyone.

I would sit in on this one if you get to do it.

If I knew of a supplier that was having a online seminar or Webinar, could I notify people on this board that it was coming up and put a link here for them to sign up for the webinar?

Just curious if this would break the rules.

Jeff in Florida

Great News and seems like amazing potential for everyone!

Thanks guys

I would like to see this webinar hosted by MTFCA.

We now have worked out the details of hosting this Webinar.

See the details and registration info here:

https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic. ... 598#p94165

Hope to have you join us.

Count Azevedo in.

I'm registered!

I have rebuilt lots of coils since Ron converted me 20+ years ago. However, I have one that I rebuilt a while back that does not work. I have checked all the circuitry backward and forward. New points, new capacitor, proper point setting, increased spring tension, decreased spring tension... But still nada. Zip. Zero.

Mike?

Keith, insufficient data. Define "does not work" ; I assume it does not generate any spark but does it :

Draw current?
Do the points open periodically ( ie buzz)?
Does the secondary measure around 3200 Ohms
If so, could be arcing internally ( Read URSOL)

Is there excessive arcing at the points when buzzing?
If so, capacitor (or connections to it ) could have failed.

The last time I encountered a similar scenario, the new capacitor was the wrong type (metalized mylar) with 60V/us dV/dt instead of 600V/us so it failed causing intermittent firing then no firing.

Hi Mike,

I will try to attend, very interesting topic. But I may have to move my Dad this Saturday either. Can we watch this webinar later somewhere on the web if we are not able to attend?

Kind regards,

We record the webinars and post them on YouTube for viewing later.

Thanks Chris and others. I'll catch the movie when it comes out, best, jb

I plan to join.

Hi Mike
Yes interested. We use your tester here on Perth Australia
Richard

I am registered and will see you on Saturday!..... No camera and microphone on my PC....yet.

Very successful webinar today, up to 72 people were online and still 43 an hour & a half later.

Great job Mike. Thank you and thanks to all at MTFCA that helped put this together.

Thanks Mike - you did a very nice job of explaining the factors involved in adjusting the coils.

Excellent webinar ! I learnt a lot ! Thank You Mike and all involved !

I agree that it was very informative webinar!

Thanks Mike for all the work that you put into sharing about the time-to-fire method of tuning coils and putting together the webinar!

Thanks MTFCA admins and board for putting this together.

Matt

I gotta go looking for the youtub video. I was there today but got called away while it played.
No problem, It'll be there soon. Fantastic subject today! EVERY Webinar has had a fantastic subject.
Thank you Admin, Chris and Jeff! Without you guys and your time and patience....

Thanks Mike - excellent and your half hour follow-on most useful. Looking forward to the developing webinar program - thanks Board.

Just want to echo all the positive comments others have made about the webinar.
Very well organized and presented!
Thanks to Mike and MTFCA!
Bob

Rendering a 2 hour long video is a painstaking ordeal, and I have all the cool toys to do it. Not to mention then uploading it to YouTube. I'll post the link here when I'm done, with any luck, later today.

All in all, this webinar really went well. Nice job Mike!

I'm still looking for Actual contributors (we have plenty of ideas) for next Sat.

If there are no other takers, I'm happy to do story time on my 3 engine and 2 transmission blowups in the first 6 months of My "The life of a T newbie - Model T ownership lessons learned the hard way". The learning curve and detective work involved in figuring out "likely" root causes was simply insane. It certainly would result in a very lively panel discussion!

AdminJeff

Thank you, for the post to youtube. It did inspire me to work on an adjustment tool for both the upper and lower bridge in response to a question about the use of the hammer to adjust the lower bridge. I attached a photo for review and comment, the design most likely has been made in many backyard garages never to get exposure without the web. thank you, Erick.

Erick,
Nice tool! Similar to the one that I made out of a Model T frame. What metal did you make it from?

Matt

It was just a piece of scrap 3/8" x 1" cold rolled steel.

I just want to join everyone who found this Webinar to be a wonderful asset to the hobby, Thank you Mike and everyone involved. More like it from anyone with such detailed knowledge should be encouraged.

Thank you for the all the wonderful feed back. Very please to know so many found the Webinar informative and helpful. Time well spent sharing knowledge and information that helps others enjoy the hobby more. Have a safe and enjoyable touring season.

Great Webinar. Very well thought out.
I got called away during for a awhile but we have the video plus the PDF files we can go thru,
Thanks Mike! Thanks MTFCA!

I didn't see the link posted in this thread so it can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcGD-8Ol3s