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Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by A Whiteman » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:32 pm

******* UPDATE - see this post for latest version of chart viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12002 ***************

I am sorting boxes of T nuts and bolts. There are LOTS of different sizes and types. I did not really appreciate the differences until I have been sorting. Engine, trans, axle, diff, starter, gen, - the list continues - all tossed in boxes as cars were dismantled.

Some time ago I saw a chart (Excel spreadsheet?) a member had made of (most) bolt sizes.
Does anyone have such a chart or detail list with use, size and (if possible) T part number for bolts and nuts?

Many thanks

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by perry kete » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:42 pm

I pulled this off of the forum a while ago and I'm not sure but I think Mr. Jelf posted it.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Banjoe » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:52 pm

I've seen this bolt sizing spreadsheet before and noted that there are a few missing items.

Any idea who owns or maintains this data as it would be good to see it expanded and, hopefully, completed.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 pm

How about a picture to go with that list! :D
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:55 pm

The fastener PDF was done many years ago by one of the Colorado T clubs. Apparently the folks who were working on it ran out of steam, as I've never found any updates of the missing items.

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As Jim pointed out when he posted this, it shows wrench sizes, not thread sizes or lengths.
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Post by TRDxB2 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:24 am

Here is some more info from previous MTFCA posts. If someone can convert the PDF to a spreadsheet or has the data in a spreadsheet I think I can create a cross reference: that is, given a nut or bolt size list all the places its used.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by George Mills » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:19 am

I will apologize in advance as someone sent this to me years ago as a PDF. Unfortunately, I don't have a clue as to credit other than I 'think' it was maybe someone from Tulsa or NWS at the time? Thats as close as I can remember.

It was obviously in a spreadsheet format at one time and converted...but since I went with a MacBookAir I don't have any Adobe software to convert it back
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:28 pm

The fastener PDF was done many years ago by one of the Colorado T clubs. Apparently the folks who were working on it ran out of steam, as I've never found any updates of the missing items.

George, that's the one Dennis posted yesterday.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by George Mills » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:29 pm

Oh well....maybe I should open other attachments before posting...🤫 🥴😁😁.


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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by DontKnowMuch » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:17 pm

I have a version of the Excel spreadsheet that dates back to Nov, 2009. It has the names of Joe Boyers and Robert Ducharme at the top. I also have a later version with Steve Jelf's name added. I don't know if additional information has been added but I know someone put in a lot of effort to put this together originally.

Has anyone added to this chart lately? I will be glad to share the spreadsheet if you send me an email.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by A Whiteman » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:06 pm

Thanks guys these are helpful.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by dmdeaton » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:58 pm

John
I sent u a email for the spreadsheet

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:51 pm

I also have a later version with Steve Jelf's name added.

Those guys in the Colorado club did the work. All I've done is repost it a few times.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Luxford » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:20 am

The above chart is actually a Ford Canada chart from their service bulletins. Dated February 1925 Page 68 & 69
it was reprinted in a Vintage Ford magazine in the 1980's ( not sure which one) The Colorado version would have come from that chart or the Ford USA Bulletins if it was printed in their version.
Here is a photo of the original I just took from my set of Ford Canada bulletins.
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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by dmdeaton » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:12 pm

The cotter pin pdf is hard to read. Anyone check me on this?
3/32 x 1/2
3/32 x 5/8
3/32 x 3/4
3/32 x1
1/16 x 1/2
1/8 x1

What sizes for the main and rod bolts?

thanks guys

I will put these in a spreadsheet unless it is already listed somewhere

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by DanTreace » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:11 pm

You have the cotter pins correct/


Connecting Rod cap bolt and nut 3/8"- 24 x 2" length

Connecting Rod Clamp bolt 3/8"-24 x 1 1/16" length

C.S. Main Rear bolt 1/2"-20 x 4 1/32"

C.S. Main Center and Front bolt 1/2"-20 x 6 3/16" length
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Post by dmdeaton » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:54 pm

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by A Whiteman » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:58 pm

Watch this space, an updated Excel of Bolts and Studs only is on its way - soooonnn

And then any help to check missing data will be appreciated :-)


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Post by jab35 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:23 am

Part number 2584B is 13/32-16, confirmed by Dan Hatch and others recently.

Would whomever completes/updates this list please post it on the Forum Information section for all to use? Thanks, jb

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Post by ChrisB » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:47 am

We'll figure out a place to keep it on the website, not just in a post like this.

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Original Smith » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:23 am

I've been a nut and bolt freak for years. I built a 1925 Pickup using 95% original bolts. If you've been at this as long as I have, you don't need a chart! A lot of the bolts I used are NOS. Many of them I got years ago from Bob Bergstadt Sr. when I dropped in for a visit.

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by A Whiteman » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:45 pm

If you've been at this as long as I have,
Hi Larry, that is actually why I am trying to amend the chart as myself (and a lot of us here) haven't been at it all that long and we don't really want to lose your knowledge and expertise.

When I post the draft chart would you mind looking at it to fill in gaps or spot errors for me please?

Its great having folk like you with knowledge to help us relative new comers out.

Thanks and keep safe - Adrian

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by A Whiteman » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:48 pm

HELP

Does anyone have the Ford Canada Service Bulletin Feb 1925?

If so, can you SCAN the spanner chart (posted above) in high quality = each page in say A4 format? OR A3 format if your combo printer/scanner has a larger table.

A higher quality scan would help me a lot combining this diagram with the new draft chart I am working on. My version is too grainy when enlarged for numbers to be legible.

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Re: Nut and Bolt Specification Chart

Post by Luxford » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:50 am

The Canadian Spanner chart by Ford Canada was reprinted in the Vintage Ford magazine January/ february 1984 Vol 19 No 1
It is the centrefold.

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