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Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by DanTreace » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm

Getting to take down the ‘25 rear axle. The u/joint rocked with a suspicious click. So drove out what should be a long rivet :shock:
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Perhaps more worked needed, knew the axle shafts were worn at tapered end and with poor threads, so have to replace those at a minimum.
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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by DanTreace » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:48 pm

Good news, ring gear is nice, bronze thrusts, solid roller bearings, I replace with Hyatt.

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Good/Bad. Pinion gear super too, original Hyatt roller pinion bearing cage lossie goosie. Will replace that with modern pinion bearing set.

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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by DanTreace » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:59 pm

:shock:

Well, that Hyatt pinion has more than a loose cage, so this is why that bearing wiggled!

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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by OilyBill » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:01 pm

Even with all that, the gears themselves look fabulous!


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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:02 pm

Dan

is this the creampuff coupe?
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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by Kevin Pharis » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:36 pm

For years my speedster has a hesitation during heavy acceleration... couldn’t figure it out...?! I went thru the Ruxtell 3-4 times for various reasons before I thought to take the driveline apart. The Hyatt pinion bearing came out about 3/4” long!!!

Under high loads the pinion bearing was breaking off little pieces of the coils, and passing em thru the gear set... turns out my hesitation under load wasn’t ignition related after all...?!🙄 :lol:

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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by DanTreace » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:36 pm

Scott_Conger wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:02 pm
Dan

is this the creampuff coupe?

Well, yes Scott. The '25 Coupe. But I knew it was an older restoration from 1982.

Seems some of the parts used were either worn originals, or what may have been best replacement at the time, but I want better for touring with the Coupe.

Today got the axle apart, the torque tube nose has wallowed out holes for the radius rods, and the rods have that worn section of thread from being loose. So replacing the tube.....and both radius rods. BTY, it had the original Babbitt front bushing.

Drive shaft is bad, as the Hyatt race sleeve wasn't secure, it rocks too, that nice pinion gear was rocking a little with it!

Note how the sleeve can be finger rotated :o

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Off with the bad boy! Being replaced with Modern Pinion bearing set.

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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by Dan Hatch » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:05 pm

Dan: I have seen one of those craftsman pullers since I last used mine I got from my Dad. Brings back memories of working with him as a kid.

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Re: Wondered why play in U-joint

Post by DanTreace » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:49 pm

Thanks Dan ;)

Guess am a bit younger than so since I bought that at Sears Robuck in Memphis new in the sixties.

Rest of the tear out....outer sleeve worn down, and no optical illusion , that solid roller bearing is leaning like the Tower of Pizza , loose cage and wear.
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Also had the leather type inner seal with the axle shaft biting claws :?

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