Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

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Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:34 pm

The white one has Ford script the other does not. I am not sure where I obtained either one of these. They are slightly different sizes. I wonder where it came from?
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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by TRDxB2 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:51 pm

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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by Hap_Tucker » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:05 pm

Ignacio,

Remember Ford Motor Company did not put a Ford script on lots of the parts on the earlier cars. From memory -- not that reliable -- sometime in the teens they started putting the Ford logo on all sorts of parts to help fight the bogus parts that were showing up and causing problems.

The white pitman arm (Ford price list of parts called it Steering Gear Ball and Arm) appears to have the letter C at the end of the factory number. If so the numbers would be T 929C and that would be the pitman arm used on the 1927 cars. Those numbers are the Factory Numbers for the part. Most of the parts especially any that had bushings or other items added to them normally had a different "Part Number". Below is an extract from Bruce McCalley's Encyclopedia. It is available on a thumb drive from Barbara. See the ordering information on Steve Jelf's site at: http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG80.html It is next to the picture of the "Price List of Parts" cover.

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Of course it could be from a different car or an aftermarket part. But let us know if you find a T 929B or some other number on it. It can be in different places.

See also the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29 ... 1175567481

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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by Hap_Tucker » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:03 pm

Frank,

Thank you so much for posting the other information. I copied that for future use.

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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by R.V.Anderson » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:39 pm

FWIW, the Ford script was specified to be added to the arm on May 9, 1916.


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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by ModelTWoods » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:05 pm

I have a Pitman arm that, if it isn't NOS, it has no wear. It has been painted black, though. It has the pronounced diamond shape to the shank, but it is hard to accurately measure it to compare to the dimensions given in Frank's drawing, above. As best I can measure it, Measurement A from steering column side of end opposite ball, is 3 12/32". Measurement B from center of steering shaft hole to center of ball, is 4 1/4". Remember, these are just approximate. What year arm do I have?[attachment=0]20210112_115118.jpg[/attachment. It is Ford script and looks like one of the first two on the left in the photo of four arms, above.
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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by TRDxB2 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:06 pm

The dimensions would suggest 1917 - 1925 based on the dimensions in the chart. The profile appears to be a more pronounced diamond shape putting it between 1922 -1925 per the chart
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Re: Not Ford Pitman steering arm?

Post by ModelTWoods » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:24 am

ModelTWoods wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:05 pm
I have a Pitman arm that, if it isn't NOS, it has no wear. It has been painted black, though. It has the pronounced diamond shape to the shank, but it is hard to accurately measure it to compare to the dimensions given in Frank's drawing, above. As best I can measure it, Measurement A from steering column side of end opposite ball, is 3 12/32". Measurement B from center of steering shaft hole to center of ball, is 4 1/4". Remember, these are just approximate. What year arm do I have?[attachment=0]20210112_115118.jpg[/attachment. It is Ford script and looks like one of the first two on the left in the photo of four arms, above.
The arm that I have is being offered "FOR TRADE" to anyone who has the proper 26-27 arm in equivalent condition: that is, no noticeable wear or pits on the ball and good hole and keyway for the steering shaft.

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