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Lettered pedals still appeared on 1915 cars being a carry over from earlier cars, this assembly is late 1914-1915 where mid way through the that year the pedals started to change from the lettered pedals to the ribbed versions seen until 1926-7. But most of the 15's had lettered pedals until late in 1915 when the ribbed pedals became standard.

Martynn, no high/low pedal?

Kerry, the Hi/LO pedal isn't pegged to the Hogshead, it is added when the Hogshead, the Transmission, the Bands and the Pan come together. The only parts in this assembly are those that are attached in some way to the Hogshead. I promise, the Hi/Lo pedal and its spring and nut will be added when I assemble the hogshead over the transmission and pan. Besides the Clutch Pedal wouldn't have anything for its spring and nut to mount to until the Hogshead assembly is button up.

I've got to break up the engines assembly in this way so as to show all of it being assembled in a decent size ratio in the confined space of an "A" size (8.5" x 11") page. If I were to assemble the complete engine it would take something along the size of a "B" size (11" x 17") foldout page. Whilst this is tempting not many folks can download, view and or print such a page....soooo, "A" size it's got to be.

I will probably break that corner out on the hogshead/pan assembly also just to be able to show the yoke (or what I call the throw out bearing) fitting into the spool on the Clutch Plate. There is absolutely no way to show the entire engine assembly in one drawing. The Hogshead Assembly fitted to the pan is one of 3 Engine Assembly drawings, because the engine is so bloody complex (2D wise) that it must be shown in 3 different drawings to keep the size large enough to see some of the smaller parts and make them easily recognizable. The Frame Assembly is another one of my big problems, how to show the front and rear cross members large enough to point out the different size of the rivets that hold it to the frame rails. I've thought of breaking it in half, showing the Front Cross Member to Frame Rails mounting and then next to it the Rear Cross Member to Frame Rails assembly...but there are also the Running Board Support Brackets, the Body Mounting Brackets, the Battery Carrier Bracket. Which to me means two drawings per Frame....OR one drawing shown obtuse enough to allow the entire frame on the page, showing all of the parts in one view. I'm not sure which it will be yet, still playing with it some. This would all be much easier If I could draw the entire car in 3D and animate it. But as yet I don't have the right software for such an undertaking....but I will one of these days, and that will change everything!

Martynn
For the life of me I can't see the logic in that, you add the slow speed clevis and connection which is a part that can only be completed when connected to the h/l pedal and yet you feel the pedal shouldn't complete the description of the drawing but add the magneto contact assembly when in parts books is under magneto.

Kerry, these are all things that are either bolted or pinned to the Hogshead...the Hi/Lo pedal is not bolted to the hogshead, the only time that it is added is when the springs, washer and nut are attached to the bands in the transmission. Since there are no Bands in this Assembly (and I've found that the addition to pedals that aren't fixed in some way to the hogshead itself get in the way of trying to fit the hogshead onto the pan and the Clutch Plate Spool....so, when I'm assembling my Transmission cover, I always leave those extra pedals off until I've got the hogshead down and seated properly. Then I add my Reverse and Brake pedals, their springs, washers and nuts.

There is another reason of course...the addition of that 3rd pedal clobbers the drawing something awful, to where it is hard to see what goes where or how. I realize that the assembly logic is off a bit, but I always try to keep the center guide lines down to as straight as possible without excessive "dog legs" to show any particular parts positions...makes a drawing a lot easier to follow.

I suppose I should just alleviate those springs too, since they're not bolted to the hogshead and do get in the way of fitting it to the transmission, because of the Bands ears.

I can see your point but one would need to be completely mechanical competent and model T savvy to follow your logic, for one not so, would think a T has only 2 pedals. So what was grand-pa on about when telling his T story's when coming across your drawing, finding a 3rd pedal with the bands drawing in my book will confuse the hell out of a novice.
Just adding a PS on this, Ford service book fitting instructions have all the pedals fitted to the hogs as a whole unit when re-assembling.

Kerry, I got to thinking some on this and decided to move things around a bit...tis tight, but it is also legible too.

Revision 1-B

It's a tad hard to figure, had to jockey the positions of the pedals and shafts about a bit to get them in the correct order (C, R,B) although the assembled position of the pedals won't be visible, until I assembly it onto the transmission/pan. But if you follow the lines and not the positions you should get the idea, hope this works for you.

I think I'll probably go back and redo the rest of them to make all the drawings in a uniform format.

Nice Martynn, just about there, add a ear with the hole in it for the clutch on the h/l pedal to take the clevis connection and a third spring.

, silly oversight, car won't get too bloody far without that.

Revision 1-C

Revision 1-D....Pedal changes, particularly the Reverse Pedal.

Revision 2-A Brake Pedal....