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How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by BLB27 » Tue May 04, 2021 9:16 pm

I am trying to decided how to paint the inside of my coupe. The attached photos show the condition of the inside. I would appreciate comments about preparation/types of paint etc. I am not familiar with POR-15 or such paints, so any comments about them would be helpful. Was the inside the same color as the body paint?
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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by BLB27 » Tue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm

Opps! I posed one twice! Here is the other one.
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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jiminbartow » Tue May 04, 2021 10:11 pm

Be careful. From what I see, you may have the only totally original 1927 factory painted Channel Green Model T coupe in existence. I thought it when I first saw it and I think it even more now that I have seen the inside. If you paint over it, you may be destroying the only true samples of original Channel green in existence. Anyway, I would not touch the body, much less paint over the paint you have there. If you have not done anything to the exterior, please consider not painting it. That paint and body is in great original condition. Jim Patrick

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by varmint » Tue May 04, 2021 10:22 pm

We have an October 1926 coupe which is totally destroyed, unlike yours, and is going green on the outside and black on the inside. But I respect Jim Patrick, having seen his posts over the years that have helped me. Not only do I agree with his suggestion, but I think that your car is beautiful.
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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by StanHowe » Tue May 04, 2021 10:43 pm

Question for Jim.
What were the green colors available on the coupes in 1927. My coupe is all original except the fenders were painted with a brush many years ago. I haven't had much luck finding information and a paint chart that looks like an original. If I google it I get about 200 photos of various colors on Pinterest but not much from Ford.

It is a light green, the interior paint in the trunk, etc. is excellent. I am the 3rd owner. Two maiden sisters 1927 - 1977; Erwin Allen 1977 - 2018, me since. I would never paint it, there are places it is pretty thin and has some barb wire scratches but it's original with "Patina."


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jiminbartow » Wed May 05, 2021 12:05 am

I’d be interested in seeing pictures of that, Stan. According to Bruce McCalley, the 1926-‘27 Coupe and Tudor body was painted Channel Green with black fenders and grey upholstery with green stripes. I’m sure there were exceptions to the rule, but the majority were Channel Green. See also: https://mtfca.com/encyclo/1926-27H.htm. Since paints change (darken or fade) and deteriorate with age and no color photos exist, nobody is really sure what the original Channel Green looked like. That is why it is somewhat exciting to see Bruce Brakke’s coupe and, what appears to be beautifully preserved original channel green paint. A true Rip Van Winkle T that should be preserved, protected and left original. Jim Patrick

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed May 05, 2021 8:05 am

That body is in remarkable condition. I'd clean the interior surfaces very thoroughly, paying particular attention to the places where dirt accumulates and rust starts. If needed, I'd spot-treat those areas and leave the rest as-is. Most rust prone areas are interior spaces and joints around the lower part of the body.


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by StanHowe » Wed May 05, 2021 10:10 am

Thank you, I don't have time to take photos right now, I took some when I first got it but I'm too buried in work right now , here is one we took the day we brought it home.

Whatever program this is won't access the pictures on my phone, guess it's for another day.


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jab35 » Wed May 05, 2021 11:52 am

Bruce: In response to your question, ' I would appreciate comments about preparation/types of paint etc. '

I would do what I am doing to restore my very rusty '26 coupe. Since I don't have convenient access to sandblasting services I'm wire wheeling and sanding loose rust and using Rustoleum rusty metal primer and a brush. I thin the primer for the seams and encourage it to flow into the joints. I will brush paint the interior areas that don't show with rustoleum black and have the visible areas and body exterior sprayed Channel Green, if I live that long. I'm building a driver, but given the superb condition of your car, you may have show car in mind and in that case, brush painting anything would be wrong.

Don Booth used to post a lot of information on the improved cars he restored over the years, including a couple of coupes. He used a primer called Rust Bullet which may be sprayed or brushed. I ordered some but have yet to try it. He mentioned thinning it a bit and brushing on liberally and with low pressure air jet 'encouraging' the primer to weep into seams and channels in the body to protect places normal spray painting couldn't reach. His posts are worth looking at in this regard.

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by BLB27 » Wed May 05, 2021 10:17 pm

Jim, Would the last photo be what is thought to be "Channel Green'?


























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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by hah » Wed May 05, 2021 11:40 pm

Could you post measurements of the position of data plate.


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jiminbartow » Thu May 06, 2021 12:26 am

Yes. But that is only my opinion based on the fact that, to me, the color of the coupe in the last photo very closely matches the Channel Green color of the cars represented in the artist rendering in the four 1926-‘27 Ford ads, which are the most accurate depiction of Channel Green. Unfortunately, I do not know the brand or number of the paint applied to the coupe in the photo. Jim Patrick

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jab35 » Thu May 06, 2021 9:46 am

Bruce: Sorry for this diversion.
John-The data plate location on my unrestored '26 coupe (Bruce's 3rd photo) is centered side to side on the lower firewall and the two rivet holes are 2.25 " above the lower edge of the firewall. The rivets are split end brass, about 1/4" long. jb


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by jiminbartow » Thu May 06, 2021 12:19 pm

If you have a 1926 or ‘27 coupe, the holes should be there. When I bought my ‘26 coupe, the plate was missing, but the holes were there. Perhaps they are covered with old grease and dirt and can be found by probing with an ice pick. Jim Patrick

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by TRDxB2 » Thu May 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Just a few reminders: Colors may vary from one computer screen to another; Computerized color matching may result in the closest available color of the manufacturer vs actual pigment mixing.
From this link https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1926-27H.htm
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Enamels
Black, Channel Green and Windsor Maroon
Pyroxylin
Black, Highland Green, Royal Maroon, Fawn Gray, Gunmetal Blue, Phoenix Brown, Commercial Green, Moleskin and Drake Green.
When looking at the photo's of the provided it appears to be a much lighter color green than what others have referred to as "Channel Green". So I am just asking if there is some agreement to the shade (light or dark) of "Channel Green" NOT the actual color.
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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by StanHowe » Thu May 06, 2021 1:19 pm

My coupe seems to be lighter than those shown but 90 years of Montana weather may have made a lot of difference. I took a couple photos of the door jams last night but the don't show the color all that well.

There is green in the trunk but also what looks like maybe blue primer??????


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu May 06, 2021 2:46 pm

BLB27 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 9:16 pm
I am trying to decided how to paint the inside of my coupe. The attached photos show the condition of the inside. I would appreciate comments about preparation/types of paint etc. I am not familiar with POR-15 or such paints, so any comments about them would be helpful. Was the inside the same color as the body paint?
Bruce,

For 94 years it has needed nothing done to the interior. I don't see any reason to intervene now. If it were mine, I'd be very happy with how it is and do nothing but clean it up a bit. (Maybe paint the bottom of the under-seat compartment Rust-O-Leum flat black, but that's all!)


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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by mytractor » Thu May 06, 2021 3:25 pm

I am just restoring a 27 coupe right now. I am in second owner and it has been in our family since new. It did need a complete restoration as the outside had been painted up for a parade in 1967. I am going to paint the car completely black but the body was green. I have attached a couple pictures of the dash behind the interior light to show the color. I believe this to be channel green.
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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by Arnie » Thu May 06, 2021 4:31 pm

Was Channel Green only offered in the enamel type of paint?

The reason I ask, if the 1927 model year vehicles only used Pyroxylin type finishes was Channel Green offered in Pyroxylin? Or did Henry Ford use both Enamel and Pyroxylin finishes for the bodies in the 1927 model year also?

If I read this topic correctly, it appears to me that some people are thinking of using Channel Green on 1927 model year vehicles. Does anyone know if Ford was still using enamel as opposed to Pyroxylin finishes in 1927 for the bodies?

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Re: How to Paint the Inside of My 1927 Coupe?

Post by DanTreace » Thu May 06, 2021 8:09 pm

Highland Green is the color for the Pyroxylin (lacquer) painted closed cars, beginning July 1926. The paint is a light shade of green and is satin in finish. These weren't rubbed lacquer to a gloss, just as sprayed on. Ford didn't want to add hand polishing to this faster way of painting the bodies.

This lacquer paint in Highland Green, was Ford M-633. The earlier enamel was Channel Green, Ford M-392.
There was a lacquer in Channel Green color, but was known as Drake Green, Ford M-637
Also a lacquer in Commercial Green, Ford M-608

Based on the available lacquers in these colors, one would assume enamel paint colors were gone by 1927. Except of course black enamel oven dry, that was on chassis and sheetmetal.


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