Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
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Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
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Hello fellow Model T-ers,
These 1911 E&J 666 headlamps (color photos) have 5 angled football shaped holes in both sides of each vent cap.
However, Bruce Mcalley's book (black and white photos) shows the "correct lamps" as having either 5 small "round" holes or only 3 "larger" holes on each side of these cap vents.
So, I am hoping that one of you distinguished gentlemen might shed some light on this mismatch.
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Hello fellow Model T-ers,
These 1911 E&J 666 headlamps (color photos) have 5 angled football shaped holes in both sides of each vent cap.
However, Bruce Mcalley's book (black and white photos) shows the "correct lamps" as having either 5 small "round" holes or only 3 "larger" holes on each side of these cap vents.
So, I am hoping that one of you distinguished gentlemen might shed some light on this mismatch.
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
The 3rd picture is of a Jno Brown headlamp, not E&J.
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
I agree with John, it is not an E&J.
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
Thank you John and Herb for your comments that the third picture, the "3 hole lamp" pictured in McCalley's book, was manufactured by Jno Brown Co. That's why that particular one is different from the one I photographed.
Would you also have an opinion on whether or not the E&J "football vent" headlamps, (picture #4 and #5 in my above post), are correct for a 1911 Ford Touring car?
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
Steve, is this a new beauty adding to your collection? Frank
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
I doubt that a touring makes any difference. Both were used. Probably depended on the supply bid at the time of assembly and/or what was in the supply bin at the time. My Torpedo have the 666's.
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
Steven,
Football shaped vents on the E&J 666 is correct for 1911.
Some torpedo roadsters and my late 1911 have E&J 666 "no name" headlamps.
-Keith
Football shaped vents on the E&J 666 is correct for 1911.
Some torpedo roadsters and my late 1911 have E&J 666 "no name" headlamps.
-Keith
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
She's a Beauty Steve, Hope you like it. Enjoy getting it tuned up for the road.
1912 Torpedo Roadster
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
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Thank you everybody for your comments. I like what I heard.
Cheers,
Steven
Thank you everybody for your comments. I like what I heard.
Cheers,
Steven
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Re: Correct 1911 Touring Headlamp Question?
The E and J 666 lamps did come with variations to the bonnets on top and the side mounting brackets. I believe the earlier bonnets had the branding on a small brass plate riveted to the bonnet, while the later bonnets had the branding stamped into the actual bonnet. I do not know when the changes were made.
the side brackets can be like the ones in the last photo, or they can be a simple plain shape without the necking down around the fork arms. Again, i don't know which proceeded the other or when.
I guess that doesn't help much, other than to alert you to these details if you are looking to make a matched pair.
Allan from down under
the side brackets can be like the ones in the last photo, or they can be a simple plain shape without the necking down around the fork arms. Again, i don't know which proceeded the other or when.
I guess that doesn't help much, other than to alert you to these details if you are looking to make a matched pair.
Allan from down under