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Ok guys, im finally up to painting. I've spoken to a few paint shops and I have a 2 directions I can go. 1 place said to use a 2k jet black base and a 2k clear. The other place said as its my first time spraying and I'm doing it in the garage he recommended using a single stage black acrylic as it won't get as glossy as the 2k and should look more like as it came out the factory and I have less chance of dust in the clear.
Whats everyone thoughts and experiences who have painted theirs?
Many thanks guys,
Whats everyone thoughts and experiences who have painted theirs?
Many thanks guys,
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Shawn, I'd definitely follow the second advice. Acrylic lacquer is far more forgiving in use, easier to touch up, and gives a more period correct finish look. It is also easier to manage in less than optimal spraying conditions. If I can offer just one tip, it would be to mix paint and thinners at approximately 1:1 ratio, depending on how thick the colour coat paint is. If you try to spray it too thick, it will not flow and the coat will lack a glossy finish.
Others may offer different/additional advice.
Allan from down under.
Others may offer different/additional advice.
Allan from down under.
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Seeing you are doing it in your garage, I would not be using 2K, it's super toxic and needs to be sprayed using a respirator and protective clothing.
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Thanks Allan,
The single stage I was looking at was 1:1 up to 1:1.5. I've also read to put the paint in some hot water before painting as we are still a bit cold in Melbourne Australia?
Did you cut and polish it or leave it as you sprayed it?
Thanks,
The single stage I was looking at was 1:1 up to 1:1.5. I've also read to put the paint in some hot water before painting as we are still a bit cold in Melbourne Australia?
Did you cut and polish it or leave it as you sprayed it?
Thanks,
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Shawn,
No matter what paint you use, I would strongly recommend you protect yourself--it's not expensive (initially and definitely in the long run) by purchasing a disposable Tye-vech (spelling???) coverall suit, a head sock, and I use "Playtex" rubber gloves, heavy duty. Then, while an air-supplied respirator is the bee's knees, you can purchase very good filtration masks--and eye covering--the eyes absorb the painting chemicals, so protect them!
If the weather is cool, yes keep the paint warm, but watch for flow out--you'd like to avoid runs. Around here, early morning is the time to paint, wind is calm, humidity isn't bad and dust is low. I have painted award-winning cars in a garage with not much more than the above. At the show some folks would not believe the car was painted in a garage--had to be done in a paint booth!! Nope. . . But I did wet down the entire area around the painting space very throughout before hand. I'm not big on clear-coat, especially on Ts. I do like the Blue-based blacks though, they are darker and more like what was originally used, color-wise at least.
No matter what paint you use, I would strongly recommend you protect yourself--it's not expensive (initially and definitely in the long run) by purchasing a disposable Tye-vech (spelling???) coverall suit, a head sock, and I use "Playtex" rubber gloves, heavy duty. Then, while an air-supplied respirator is the bee's knees, you can purchase very good filtration masks--and eye covering--the eyes absorb the painting chemicals, so protect them!
If the weather is cool, yes keep the paint warm, but watch for flow out--you'd like to avoid runs. Around here, early morning is the time to paint, wind is calm, humidity isn't bad and dust is low. I have painted award-winning cars in a garage with not much more than the above. At the show some folks would not believe the car was painted in a garage--had to be done in a paint booth!! Nope. . . But I did wet down the entire area around the painting space very throughout before hand. I'm not big on clear-coat, especially on Ts. I do like the Blue-based blacks though, they are darker and more like what was originally used, color-wise at least.
T'ake care,
David Dewey
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The single stage, acrylic enamel is the simplest and cheaper way to go. If you want, you can add an acrylic hardener to it, that slows how fast it dries, adding flow out time, but more "dust collecting" time, and it hardens the paint, adding gloss and chip resistance to it. You must wear a good respirator while painting either with or without the hardener. Don't skimp on the price of one, your lungs are worth it! Make sure it is rated for paint and fits your face well!
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I like the single stage urethane paints. Spray it on wet, and pass on the cut and rub to prevent the show car sparkle. If you look into the industrial paints you will find the colors are solid and basic, are not intended to have that late model automotive “sparkle”, will have really good UV protection, and won’t wash away when you drip a little gas or solvent on the fender
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Shawn,
The answers you are receiving are for enamel type paints not the Lacquer you are contemplating which we can still obtain here in Australia.
As Allan advised Acrylic Lacquer would be the better choice to use in a garage.
If you a decide to use lacquer there are certain things you need to be aware of which will avoid problems especially if spray painting is something you are unfamiliar with.
I live in NSW and am a retired TAFE Vehicle Painting teacher, send me a reply via the forum and we can speak on the phone which will save lots of typing for both of us.
The answers you are receiving are for enamel type paints not the Lacquer you are contemplating which we can still obtain here in Australia.
As Allan advised Acrylic Lacquer would be the better choice to use in a garage.
If you a decide to use lacquer there are certain things you need to be aware of which will avoid problems especially if spray painting is something you are unfamiliar with.
I live in NSW and am a retired TAFE Vehicle Painting teacher, send me a reply via the forum and we can speak on the phone which will save lots of typing for both of us.
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Luxford did you get my private msg?
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Shawn, If you get it right, a really acceptable finish can be had off the gun with acrylic lacquer. I have never cut and polished my 1915 tourer or my 1912 van. If you can wait for warmer weather, the finish will be better.
I used the best quality finishes I can find, and stick with their recommended substrates. Don't skimp on the number of coats, nor the rubbing down between them.
Allan from down under.
I used the best quality finishes I can find, and stick with their recommended substrates. Don't skimp on the number of coats, nor the rubbing down between them.
Allan from down under.
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Allan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 amShawn, If you get it right, a really acceptable finish can be had off the gun with acrylic lacquer. I have never cut and polished my 1915 tourer or my 1912 van. If you can wait for warmer weather, the finish will be better.
I used the best quality finishes I can find, and stick with their recommended substrates. Don't skimp on the number of coats, nor the rubbing down between them.
Allan from down under.
I just purchased 12 litres of blue base black which they said should get me 3-4 coats. What grit should I do between coats? How long do you have to wait between coats to rub it down?
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Shawn,
Didn't get your message so I sent you an email with my phone number . Could be the forum contact system does not work!!
This does, so I live in NSW so add the state prefix and the number is 42 322 331. you have enough paint to do three cars.
Didn't get your message so I sent you an email with my phone number . Could be the forum contact system does not work!!
This does, so I live in NSW so add the state prefix and the number is 42 322 331. you have enough paint to do three cars.
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Woah Shawn! That would make 24 litres of spraying mix after thinners are added. On my 1912 van I used 4 litres of the special colour I ordered. I ran out half way through the last of 5 coats. I went back to the paint shop for another litre and when I got it home it was way different in colour, much more like I had hoped it was when I ordered it. When I showed them a test panel I had done before starting with the first 4 litres, they came to the conclusion they had left out the red tinter in the first mix.
I got three good coats out of the second 4 litres they gave me, and had plenty left, but that went onto an almost finished job in the wrong colour.
Hook up with Peter. He knows a lot more about painting than I do.
Allan from down under.
I got three good coats out of the second 4 litres they gave me, and had plenty left, but that went onto an almost finished job in the wrong colour.
Hook up with Peter. He knows a lot more about painting than I do.
Allan from down under.
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I used a single stage urethane "Boulevard Black" from Eastwood paint and it really turned out well. I am planning on using a single stage urethane again on my next restoration project.Myxr6turbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:07 amWhats everyone thoughts and experiences who have painted theirs?
Here is a post that I wrote two years ago summarizing my painting experience that you may find helpful.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6764&p=51027#p51027
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]Last year I shot my’26 Runabout at home with Summit Racing’s single stage acrylic urethane in black. I used their epoxy primer and then their high build primer. Their website has a check the box shopping list so you know what you need to buy for each paint system they sell.I went with Summit after my DuPont paint supplier retired.
I ended up buying a pneumatic paint shaker after breaking off the stirring stick in the paint. It was the best $100US I ever spent. My wife often brings me her house paints so it gets used on other jobs.
As others have said, the new paints are toxic. I wore a Tyvek suit and moved my missus and her dog out of the house. I have a Hobby Air breather that forces clean air through a hose pipe into my fireman’s mask that covers my eyes, nose, and mouth. Several have advised me that carbon masks are no longer safe.
I have painted my cars with acrylic lacquer and acrylic enamel over my 40 years in the hobby. I won’t use those materials again as I am delighted with the new stuff available to me.
I ended up buying a pneumatic paint shaker after breaking off the stirring stick in the paint. It was the best $100US I ever spent. My wife often brings me her house paints so it gets used on other jobs.
As others have said, the new paints are toxic. I wore a Tyvek suit and moved my missus and her dog out of the house. I have a Hobby Air breather that forces clean air through a hose pipe into my fireman’s mask that covers my eyes, nose, and mouth. Several have advised me that carbon masks are no longer safe.
I have painted my cars with acrylic lacquer and acrylic enamel over my 40 years in the hobby. I won’t use those materials again as I am delighted with the new stuff available to me.
Tom Miller
One who cannot find beauty in an engine cannot find beauty in the universe.
One who cannot find beauty in an engine cannot find beauty in the universe.
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I should also mention Flexzilla.
My kid brother encouraged me to upgrade my air system to 3/8” Flexzilla hose and purple Milton fittings for the hose and spray gun. The purple fittings are high volume and ensure HVLP spray Guns receive adequate flow. They also interchange with the older fittings so I can still use the older stuff from time to time.
The Flexzilla hose is dead soft and nearly impossible to tangle.
I also use this hose on my breather mask and am happy that it lays flat and doesn’t tangle as I move about.
My kid brother encouraged me to upgrade my air system to 3/8” Flexzilla hose and purple Milton fittings for the hose and spray gun. The purple fittings are high volume and ensure HVLP spray Guns receive adequate flow. They also interchange with the older fittings so I can still use the older stuff from time to time.
The Flexzilla hose is dead soft and nearly impossible to tangle.
I also use this hose on my breather mask and am happy that it lays flat and doesn’t tangle as I move about.
Tom Miller
One who cannot find beauty in an engine cannot find beauty in the universe.
One who cannot find beauty in an engine cannot find beauty in the universe.
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That looks great. Once I change rhe size of my photos I'll upload them.
Lixford, I have sent you a pm. I think I wrote your email wrong. Can you send me just the start?
Thank again everyone.
Lixford, I have sent you a pm. I think I wrote your email wrong. Can you send me just the start?
Thank again everyone.
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Here is yesterday and today's progress. Im happy considering it's first spray job.This is before a final rubdown and last coat.
Big big thank you to Luxford for his time on Saturday on the phone. What a wealth of knowledge.
Big big thank you to Luxford for his time on Saturday on the phone. What a wealth of knowledge.
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Hi Shawn,
Just noticed your post.
Congratulations, full marks, wish all my students listened as well as you have.
email first part, pskable@
Just noticed your post.
Congratulations, full marks, wish all my students listened as well as you have.
email first part, pskable@
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Nice job Shawn.! You should be grinning from ear to ear.
Allan from down under.
Allan from down under.