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help with pie wagon project

Post by Emeraude » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:39 am

I plan on building a pie wagon on a 24 chassis. I have researched this site and the internet and have a good idea on how to proceed. However I am asking if anyone has a pie wagon or has any photos of the interior I would appreciate corresponding with them as there are some construction details I am not sure on.


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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:10 am

Emeraude wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:39 am
I plan on building a pie wagon on a 24 chassis. I have researched this site and the internet and have a good idea on how to proceed. However I am asking if anyone has a pie wagon or has any photos of the interior I would appreciate corresponding with them as there are some construction details I am not sure on.
To my knowledge, the expert on T Pie Wagon bodies is John Regan, a sometimes contributor to this forum.


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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by mtntee20 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:20 am

George,

You haven't said if you're planning on building your own or if you wish to purchase one already built. My late friend purchased one from this guy: https://www.everettcurrierfarm.com/bodies-and-pricing and put it on a chassis. My wife and I now own the truck. When the crate was delivered, my friend asked me to help uncrate and start assembly. I was impressed then and still am now. I think Currier does a good job on his bodies.

Good Luck

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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Tbird » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:59 am

I’m currently building one. I haven’t started construction yet, I’m making up all my body irons and hardware. If you want authenticity contact The Henry Ford Benson research center and purchase the factory drawings. The drawings are $30 each. The main drawing will show dimensions only from the side and only a few from the rear. The construction of the the body is a wood frame with metal skin. Many of the framing will need to be steam bent. The drawings show only the way it looks construction wise but not how it’s framed together( journey such as lap joints etc) I purchased a book on antique car joinery that gives styles of joinery used during that era. The pie wagons were made by Beaudette. If you can get your eyes on some pictures or in person of someone’s 1911-12 Model T body and look at the joinery used that will help you out as well. The drawings will also show the various Factory numbers for all the body irons. There is a lot of body irons on these bodies. The guy in Maine does make some very nice bodies. I looked over one of his delivery cars and although very nice it does not follow the way they were originally constructed. I’ve seen both of John’s Pie Wagons, one of them (regular body) was completely restored from an original using the original as a pattern. The other is a whole complete original body (knockdown version) that was Sold on this Forum. http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/17 ... 1303742919
They are the neatest cars Ford made IMHO


Good luck on your project!
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:29 am

When did I do that?

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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:45 am

I should be going over to Craig Beek's Model T stash, I mean Museum, in a few days. He has a Pie Wagon, I can get details has a record book. I'll take some pictures of exposed joinery. Just need to know if there are other pictures to take. .
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Dropacent » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:55 pm

I have this one here somewhere, I’d be glad to copy for you. It would be better to just get the info from benson, probably a lot more than this. T
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Dan McEachern » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:56 pm

Usually later "Pie Wagons" did not always have the C shaped cab. Are you building a brass era Pie Wagon on a later chassis or a 1924 Pie Wagon?


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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Allan » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:34 pm

Whatever style you build, I recommend that you build it to suit your frame, rather than the T frame. Most times the bodies cramp the driver. When I built my shooting brake, I made sure that the seat back was set back far enough to be comfortable. I also made the seat back adjustable for rake. This I set at the middle of the range built into the mounting, and it has never been shifted for my 5' 8" frame, but my taller cousin sets it back to the last notch.

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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Dollisdad » Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:19 pm

Here’s my 2 cents. This skeleton,
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Became this.
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:01 pm

Have an album full of pictures of the build. Need to take them out of the glossy page protectors and resize/zomm Here are some still in the glossy covers
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:51 pm

There are about 65 photos that were taken by the builder William Brommer, Castro Valley, CA in 2008. Whats interesting in the build is when things were painted as they were assembled. These photos are in zip files (compressed data file). To download and view on you computer is easy (email me if you need help).
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Pie Wagon Exterior.zip
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Pie Wagon Finished.zip
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I added instructions on "How to down load and EXTRACT (expand back to original) the files" down below
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Allan » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:28 pm

From Tom's skeleton photo, it would be easy to set the timber backrest to any comfortable set-back and then build the seat base to suit. On my Haigh's chocolate van the steering wheel is right in my lap, and it is way too cosy in there. The second one I built for a customer had the problem solved.

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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:00 am

Some of the frame.zip pictures around the seat position
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:20 am

How to Download a Zip File and un-zip it. A Ziped file (or Folder) is the original data compressed into a smaller data package. Since the Forum software has restrictions on data files (pictures etc). It is a way to get around that and make the information available.
The steps just involve a lot of clicking. These instructions can be applicable to un-zippig folders and files that you may encounter elsewhere.
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Tbird » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:57 am

Frank,
Thanks for doing this! So did Bill build this one for Craig? I have the article on Bills build.

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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by TRDxB2 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:03 am

Tbird wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:57 am
Frank,
Thanks for doing this! So did Bill build this one for Craig? I have the article on Bills build.
I'll have to ask Craig. The pictures show some Bakery name on a similar Wagon, but could have been an example while the other build photos were Craig's. Bill did build the body for Craig about 2007/8.
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Re: help with pie wagon project

Post by Tbird » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:17 am

Frank,
I'm a little curious about how the runner (body to frame bracket) is attached to the floor. From the other picture it looks like there is an angle cut
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