Engine and Bumper Question
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Engine and Bumper Question
I am new to T’s since I bought my first a few months ago.
My coupe is titled as a 1925 and looks the part, the engine is stamped 10814734 and it has two valve covers. From what I read the serial number lines up with it being a ‘25, but what about the two piece valve cover?
Also, when I bought the car it had this bumper installed on the rear, it has a manufacturer emblem in the center, “Tied”. Does anyone possess knowledge on this? My only guess is it’s just another aftermarket manufacturer.
My coupe is titled as a 1925 and looks the part, the engine is stamped 10814734 and it has two valve covers. From what I read the serial number lines up with it being a ‘25, but what about the two piece valve cover?
Also, when I bought the car it had this bumper installed on the rear, it has a manufacturer emblem in the center, “Tied”. Does anyone possess knowledge on this? My only guess is it’s just another aftermarket manufacturer.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
Looks like a fresh re-stamp. Replaced the block & kept the #?
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
Your engine appears to be the early generator type with the 2 separate valve chambers that appeared in late 1919 and then changed in the 1922 models that had a single valve chamber till the end of T production.
If the engine no. is for the later style which a 25 would be it has been restamped to probably be the same as the title.
Lots of T’s had their engines changed through the years since for the most part they were alike and bolt in the same way. If it has a good title I wouldn’t worry about it.
If the engine no. is for the later style which a 25 would be it has been restamped to probably be the same as the title.
Lots of T’s had their engines changed through the years since for the most part they were alike and bolt in the same way. If it has a good title I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
The number font is not like any model T number I have seen. As others have pointed out, it is likely to be an earlier block with a later number stamped on it.
Allan from down under.
Allan from down under.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
Tadpole
Go to the resources section on this website then then go the older version of the ‘encyclopedia ‘ and you can see what and when Ford made changes in the Model T’s to the end of their production. It’s interesting reading.
Go to the resources section on this website then then go the older version of the ‘encyclopedia ‘ and you can see what and when Ford made changes in the Model T’s to the end of their production. It’s interesting reading.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
My crank pulley does not have flanges, and the fan has the longer type shaft. Does that sound like the motor is a 19-20?
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
If the serial numbers on the motor have been re-stamped the engine could be from multiple years and people changed out parts often because they were out of money or could not find anything locally so a lot of model T engines are slightly different than their year of manufacture.
Also, when an engine needed major work it was very common for a Ford dealership to take out the old engine and replace it with a rebuilt one right off of the shelf to save time.
Also, when an engine needed major work it was very common for a Ford dealership to take out the old engine and replace it with a rebuilt one right off of the shelf to save time.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
I know that Sears Roebuck sold rebuilt Ford V8s, and I'm pretty sure they (and others) sold rebuilt T engines.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
The original crankshaft pulleys didn’t have flanges. Over the years aftermarket crankshaft pulleys were made from time to time and probably still are. I have a couple of the older version flanged crankshaft pulleys.
The fan pulley looks like it’s one the newer ball bearing pulleys that have come out over the last few years. The original fan pulleys had a brass sleeve bushing in them. The ball bearing type is a definite improvement. They are avaliable from the parts suppliers.
Get yourself a Lang’s and Snyder’s parts catalog and you can see the newer version parts that are available . Some are a definite improvement and others are questionable but at least they are available. Lang’s a good selection of original parts and you can call to see what they have.
As far as rebuilt parts for T’s I use to get JC Whitney catalogs in the late 60’s and early 70’s when I started working on the T Coupe I inherited and rebuilt T transmissions could be had for $75.00.
Others sold short blocks at that time too but as time went on T parts from suppliers went away and smaller places like Mark to over to a point on what was still available to get.
The fan pulley looks like it’s one the newer ball bearing pulleys that have come out over the last few years. The original fan pulleys had a brass sleeve bushing in them. The ball bearing type is a definite improvement. They are avaliable from the parts suppliers.
Get yourself a Lang’s and Snyder’s parts catalog and you can see the newer version parts that are available . Some are a definite improvement and others are questionable but at least they are available. Lang’s a good selection of original parts and you can call to see what they have.
As far as rebuilt parts for T’s I use to get JC Whitney catalogs in the late 60’s and early 70’s when I started working on the T Coupe I inherited and rebuilt T transmissions could be had for $75.00.
Others sold short blocks at that time too but as time went on T parts from suppliers went away and smaller places like Mark to over to a point on what was still available to get.
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
Many thanks for the insightful information.
Sounds good, my old fan pulley was very wobbly and I installed the ball bearing one. Good to know about the flanges on the crank pulley.
I am just 22 and don't have experience with model T literature from after the Model T's era but before the present. So the experience you all share is very valuable to me!
Sounds good, my old fan pulley was very wobbly and I installed the ball bearing one. Good to know about the flanges on the crank pulley.
I am just 22 and don't have experience with model T literature from after the Model T's era but before the present. So the experience you all share is very valuable to me!
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
Lang’s a good selection of original parts and you can call to see what they have.
Most of the parts dealers do. Original stuff isn't usually listed in their catalogues. As John says, you have to ask.
Glen with some of the original parts at Chaffin's Garage.
The inevitable often happens.
1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
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Re: Engine and Bumper Question
That's inspiring, thanks!
Now if only I could get parts for my Edsel...
Now if only I could get parts for my Edsel...