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Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Did an oil change on the '26 Touring this afternoon and found this unidentified but obviously ferrous object sticking up from the magnetic plug.
Both sides look partially peened. One end and one side appear square and smooth, other end and side have been broken away from something bigger. Thickness about 0.050".
Thoughts? (Hopefully no prayers needed!)
Both sides look partially peened. One end and one side appear square and smooth, other end and side have been broken away from something bigger. Thickness about 0.050".
Thoughts? (Hopefully no prayers needed!)
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Ring gear tooth? Ouch!
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Kind of looks to me like the remains of a brake drum lug shoe:
https://www.modeltford.com/item/3312S.aspx
https://www.modeltford.com/item/3312S.aspx
Mark Strange
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
If the transmission was rebuilt and new shoes added a while ago, there were some bad ones made. The grain of the steel went the wrong way or wrong temper steel was used, and they were prone to breaking along the fold lines.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!
1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
1948 Ford F2 pickup
1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
1948 Ford F2 pickup
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Marks are on the mark
and there's more where that came from
and there's more where that came from
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
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Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Good catch. fix quickly or OMG!
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Hank's right
they all need to go, and the remainder of this one needs to be found. Not a horrendous job, but a significant one for sure.
they all need to go, and the remainder of this one needs to be found. Not a horrendous job, but a significant one for sure.
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Well, %#£¥@&#*&@X$@&!!!
Thanks guys. Bad to hear, good to know.
Thanks guys. Bad to hear, good to know.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
How would those get outside the brake drum? Isn't it enclosed on the front and the back?
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
There are holes in the drive plate.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
One looks at the brake drum, the steel lugs. Considers the clutch plates surrounding the steel lug. The brake drum again, the driven plate bolted tightly behind it. One thinks that no way those lug pieces could get out!
But they do. I don't know how? But I have spoken with several people that have found the pieces like this. Loose within the engine's oil. And I have read several threads just like this one.
As if that isn't enough? I myself once pulled such a lug piece out of an engine I took apart to rebuild. It was outside the confines of the brake drum and clutch.
So there.
One of the universal mysteries.
But they do. I don't know how? But I have spoken with several people that have found the pieces like this. Loose within the engine's oil. And I have read several threads just like this one.
As if that isn't enough? I myself once pulled such a lug piece out of an engine I took apart to rebuild. It was outside the confines of the brake drum and clutch.
So there.
One of the universal mysteries.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Seeing this can be a real gut ache! Been there done that!
To prevent the abnormal wear you see..., do not cruise perfectly on flat ground. Alternate your speed at times will keep this back slip/lash from happening (oscillation of power). Load up and unload power band keeps gears and lugs tight.
Hank
To prevent the abnormal wear you see..., do not cruise perfectly on flat ground. Alternate your speed at times will keep this back slip/lash from happening (oscillation of power). Load up and unload power band keeps gears and lugs tight.
Hank
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
Them little cutting tools can work their way between the drum & band lining, not to mention your field coil. Been there.
Bit by another batch of bad repop parts.
Bit by another batch of bad repop parts.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
In cases where the lug shoes have begun to fail, does the car show symptoms, like clutch grabbing/dragging, making strange noises?
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
My clutch seems to work perfectly, so I expect that the shoes are in good shape. It's smooth and consistent, and holds well.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
I don't recall reading his transmission was rebuilt using our brake drum clutch shoes which are made to the original Ford print including material and heat treat. We have literally sold thousands of these shoes and have yet to receive a complaint of this nature from a customer.speedytinc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:40 amThem little cutting tools can work their way between the drum & band lining, not to mention your field coil. Been there.
Bit by another batch of bad repop parts.
Furthermore, it is not uncommon for the original shoes to fail over time due to excessive wear caused by the clutch disks. Case in point, the photo of the intact shoe shown next to the fragment.
Lastly, please try to refrain from making assumptions on the forum when you do not have all the facts. I had a conversation with the person who made the initial post and he was unable to verify if the shoes were ever replaced. I do agree he should be concerned and I also suggested he pull the engine for further inspection.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
I am not claiming these defective shoes came from you guys. This shoe problem was "common knowledge" 40 years ago & by their nature still turn up today. You might ask Glen about this, I'm sure he will remember the situation. This is another situation of bad ropop parts coming back to haunt us. My particular engine was built in the 70's. I assume the shoes were replaced @ that time. By the fact that they all split & coming apart around the same time showing little wear they had to be defective. I have disassembled a lot of transmissions that had lots of wear & dont see cracks in the bends of these shoes, much less missing pieces.
I have had very very few issues with your parts. Can only recall 1 at the moment. I am a direct kind of guy. If there is an issue, for the sake of the hobby, & your efforts to produce the best available parts I let Dave know directly.
I have had very very few issues with your parts. Can only recall 1 at the moment. I am a direct kind of guy. If there is an issue, for the sake of the hobby, & your efforts to produce the best available parts I let Dave know directly.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
I talked to dad and he did say there was another source many years ago (won't mention who) that did have issues. I stand corrected.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
I've had one of those break in my coupe and it destroyed my magneto field coil. I'll only use original Ford wear shoes now.
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Re: Unidentified object found on drain plug...
I went thru the invoices from when this transmission was worked on in 2012… bushings, washers, pins, bands etc. but no drum lug shoes. Safe to assume I reused what was in there at the time, most likely since day one.
In hindsight, there were smarter ways to save $15. I was probably lucky to get nine good years and many thousands of miles out of them.
The Touring is up on dollies and patiently waiting the return of my loaned-out hoist and engine stand…
In hindsight, there were smarter ways to save $15. I was probably lucky to get nine good years and many thousands of miles out of them.
The Touring is up on dollies and patiently waiting the return of my loaned-out hoist and engine stand…