Round #2- Identify this hood?
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Round #2- Identify this hood?
OK, I will play. Thanks Bryant for Round #1 on 11/11! This hood is destined for the speedster under construction. Side panels measure about 34" long, and 14" tall. The hood is wide, something like 26 or 28" at the radiator end, and is heavier metal than a Model T hood. Looks like it came from a much larger car than a "T". 14 angled louvers on each side. Does anyone recognize what it came from? Thx / Tim
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
maybe this thing? 20s Haynes sedan. Just a guess. Has slanted louvers
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
A lot of uncommon marques had slanted louvers. One of the more common marques in the late 1910s and early 1920s to have slanted louvers was Oldsmobile. I think maybe some Oakland cars also.
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
Well, Bryant's suggestion looks pretty good. I have looked on the internet and in my Automobile Quarterlies and have not been able to find any Haynes that looks like this one.
Wayne's suggestions may be good too. I searched Oaklands and did not come up with anything close. In looking at Oldsmobiles, it looks like there are several possibilities from the late 'teens and early '20's. Model 37-B maybe, and some others seem to have hoods with slanted louvers of about the right proportions. Most photos do not allow me to see and count all the louvers. Still looking for something definate....... / Tim
Wayne's suggestions may be good too. I searched Oaklands and did not come up with anything close. In looking at Oldsmobiles, it looks like there are several possibilities from the late 'teens and early '20's. Model 37-B maybe, and some others seem to have hoods with slanted louvers of about the right proportions. Most photos do not allow me to see and count all the louvers. Still looking for something definate....... / Tim
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
I found several makes with slated louvers - the but none matched the hold down bracket or the position of the handle wasn't the same. Hard to count louvers. So I'm going with a Humpmobile in the 1920's
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
how about this one? Has 14 “visible” louvers. The center hinge is exposed upward. Hood latch looks close. Came up under a Haynes search but honestly I don’t know what it is . Iam having fun looking thou! What a great game we are playing
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
I agree with Bryant that both the Haynes photos he found look like good candidates. The problem is we need to see a little bit more or different angle on the hood pictures. I have been looking and can say with confidence that it is NOT any of these Haynes models:
1917 - Model 36
1919 - Sedan & Touring
1921 - Model 50
1922 - Model 47 and Model 75
1923 - Model 55 and Model 60
How many other models did Haynes make during that period? Apparently at lease a couple that show in Bryant's photos!
I think the Oldsmobile photos look pretty close too, and Frank's close-ups help. His photo of a Model 45 has 15 louvers, which will not not match my 14 louvers no matter HOW hard I try. How many other Oldsmobile years and models were there that might have had 14?
None of the Hupmobile photos look particularly close to my hood, but again there may be other models. / Tim
1917 - Model 36
1919 - Sedan & Touring
1921 - Model 50
1922 - Model 47 and Model 75
1923 - Model 55 and Model 60
How many other models did Haynes make during that period? Apparently at lease a couple that show in Bryant's photos!
I think the Oldsmobile photos look pretty close too, and Frank's close-ups help. His photo of a Model 45 has 15 louvers, which will not not match my 14 louvers no matter HOW hard I try. How many other Oldsmobile years and models were there that might have had 14?
None of the Hupmobile photos look particularly close to my hood, but again there may be other models. / Tim
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
I love slanted louver hoods. The car looks likes it's going fast just sitting. Here is a 1922ish Lexington
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
This photo is just too good not to post! 1920 Pike's Peak champ!!
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Re: Round #2- Identify this hood?
Well, I have continued to research online and have come up with just ONE contender that I cannot fault: 1923 Oldsmobile Model 30 Deluxe. It may be called a Model 30-A, and the hood may continue to a 1924 Olds Model 30-B. The problem seems to be that Oldsmobile at that time was producing several models, some that were continued year after year nearly unchanged, and some that changed rather quickly. The 1923 Model 30-A appears to change by year: 1924 30-B, 1925 30-C, 1926 30-D, 1927 30-E.
Only the earliest of the Model 30-A seems to have had the rounded, horseshoe shaped radiator shell. Virtually overlapping in production seems to be a more square-shouldered radiator shell that used a different hood, but also sometimes labeled (now) as Model 30. The photos showing the early version of the horseshoe radiator for 1923 are all Touring Car bodies, though there is an early advertising photo (shown on Alamy, copyrighted) shows a Coupe that appears to have the early radiator and hood. There is a white Touring Car on Catawiki (licensed, online) that appears to have the early radiator and hood. This car also shows up on Youtube and on ERClassics.com. There is a Salmon colored Touring Car on Flickr (licensed, online) attributed to Richard Spiegelman that is identified as a 1924 Model 30-B that has the early radiator and hood.
The best showing is attached below. Identified as a 1923 Olds Model 30 Deluxe, 6 cylinder, this photo is on Wikimedia.commons, Creative Commons 2.0, attributed to "Sicnag", with photo reproduction allowed for non-commercial use. The hood close-up clearly shows the 14 hood louvers (not the 10, 12, 13, or 15 louvers found on other Oldsmobile models!) I believe that THIS is the hood I have for my speedster project. / Tim
Only the earliest of the Model 30-A seems to have had the rounded, horseshoe shaped radiator shell. Virtually overlapping in production seems to be a more square-shouldered radiator shell that used a different hood, but also sometimes labeled (now) as Model 30. The photos showing the early version of the horseshoe radiator for 1923 are all Touring Car bodies, though there is an early advertising photo (shown on Alamy, copyrighted) shows a Coupe that appears to have the early radiator and hood. There is a white Touring Car on Catawiki (licensed, online) that appears to have the early radiator and hood. This car also shows up on Youtube and on ERClassics.com. There is a Salmon colored Touring Car on Flickr (licensed, online) attributed to Richard Spiegelman that is identified as a 1924 Model 30-B that has the early radiator and hood.
The best showing is attached below. Identified as a 1923 Olds Model 30 Deluxe, 6 cylinder, this photo is on Wikimedia.commons, Creative Commons 2.0, attributed to "Sicnag", with photo reproduction allowed for non-commercial use. The hood close-up clearly shows the 14 hood louvers (not the 10, 12, 13, or 15 louvers found on other Oldsmobile models!) I believe that THIS is the hood I have for my speedster project. / Tim
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