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1913 body braces

Post by RichJ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:11 am

About a week ago there was a thread , in which Hap Tucker posted info on the reinforcing brackets that were necessary
for the weak design on some 1913 bodys
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I would like to see the information that wold picture the brackets.possibly someone can find this in the archives and post
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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RichJ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:17 am

wrong link
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I hope my mechanical skills are better than my computer skills


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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RichJ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:23 am

The info was from letter number 395 and it referenced T5434 and sketch T5638

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by DanTreace » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:14 am

Rich


Don't have copy of those part #s, but Bruce's C-D Ency. (another reason to buy this $50 super C-D) has picture of the frame bracket and the reinforcement body bracket installed on a body. And attached is copy of Ford instructions for install.


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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am

I have a '13 Touring in the shop currently with those rear support brackets & the owner has access to a very substantial machine & fabrication shop and is considering doing a limited run of these if there's interest.


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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by Sarikatime » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:21 pm

Someone is selling a set of support brackets on this website on parts.

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:59 pm

I sold these a few years ago. This shows common wear and abuse and possibly some detail.
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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by Model T Mark » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:06 pm

I need a pair. There are two widths of sills if I remember correctly.


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Post by RichJ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:50 pm

Here is the information that I was referring to this morning:

JAN 28 1913 Acc. 575, Letter 395, Ford Archives
T-5637 Body Reinforcing Bracket Bolt. "Four required, Touring Car, 1913."
T-5453 Body Reinforcing Bracket. New Drawing. "Two required, Touring Car, 1913."
T-5638. Sketch showing location of Body Reinforcing Bracket. "We have made this sketch for the purpose of showing customers who are having trouble with the touring car bodies how the trouble can be overcome. The material has been ordered and we will be able to supply same in the near future. For your information will state that the construction of the body has been improved upon and undoubtedly will not need this reinforcement as soon at the change can be brought about. We will therefore order only enough material of the above parts as shown on sketch to take care of the bodies which have already been built."


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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:17 pm

FWIW, My Jan 2, '13 car sports a set of these, and I believe them to be original to the car
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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by Russ_Furstnow » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:35 pm

Scott, The "Ford Sales Bulletin", dated May 1913 states that these braces are now available to dealers. My January 1913 touring has the frame brackets that are bolted to the frame. There is no doubt that Ford knew there was a problem with the weakness of the sills and these braces were retrofitted to earlier (pre-May 1913) cars. I hope this helps. Russ Furstnow

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by Bob McDaniel » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:00 am

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by gtttrobinson » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:55 pm

RajoRacer wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
I have a '13 Touring in the shop currently with those rear support brackets & the owner has access to a very substantial machine & fabrication shop and is considering doing a limited run of these if there's interest.
Could I join the list for two sets? Have you put out a call for those interested?

Thank you btw!!

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RajoRacer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:02 am

The fella is coming to the shop today - I'll ask him about producing some.


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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by gtttrobinson » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:05 pm

RajoRacer wrote:
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The fella is coming to the shop today - I'll ask him about producing some.
Hi Rajo, if you strike out with you guy, I have a person I can speak to. I'd need a template and then a list of who wants them with sill measurements for each. Let me know what you think.


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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by gtttrobinson » Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:57 pm

RajoRacer wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:29 am
I have a '13 Touring in the shop currently with those rear support brackets & the owner has access to a very substantial machine & fabrication shop and is considering doing a limited run of these if there's interest.
Hi RajoRacer,

Did you ever have luck with making up some braces? If so, I can be reached at gefrobinson@yahoo.com

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:36 am

Fella's picking up the T on Monday and said he's going to make patterns after he gets it back to his shop - he's not one to drag his feet on a project - I'll attempt to stay on top of it.

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RajoRacer » Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:30 pm

My friend has removed a support bracket and is currently making patterns - if anyone might be interested, let me know. I have no idea on production costs as of yet but he mentioned having a dozen sets made up..


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Post by Model T Mark » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:13 pm

I would be interested in a set I think.
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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by jmc » Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:43 am

I would be interested.

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Re: 1913 body braces

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:29 am

He's coming out today to retrieve his other chassis I got running for him - I'll check on the brackets progress !

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