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1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 8:05 am

Hello
I bought a set of nice Top Saddles with Support Arms from a member here. Prior to purchase I checked Lang’s to be sure they fit, Lang’s catalog appeared to match indicating they were for ‘23-‘27. But they don’t. Where they should thread into my body, the receiving bracket is not threaded. I guess I should’ve looked up the car instead of the catalog, :roll: The thread’s major diameter is larger than the receiver hole.

Can anyone advise where I went wrong, and the proper Support Arms for my Runabout?

Thank you in advance.
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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun May 29, 2022 8:34 am

It looks as if the mounts in your body were meant for a longer stud with a nut. The mounts in the body for the top saddle arms on my 26-27 roadster are threaded. The internal diameter of the threads it just a hair over 5/8". ** The top saddle arm mounts are about 14" behind the rear of the doors.
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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 8:37 am

TXGOAT2 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 8:34 am
It looks as if the mounts in your body were meant for a longer stud with a nut. The mounts in the body for the top saddle arms on my 26-27 roadster are threaded. The internal diameter of the threads it just a hair over 5/8".
That makes sense, but as of today I have not seen such a Support Arm. I suppose I can make one easy enough and no one would be the wiser.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun May 29, 2022 8:42 am

NOTE: The top saddle arms mount back toward the upper rear of the body. The top iron pivot is mounted forward of that, just behind the door on a roadster. Are you looking at the top iron pivot bolt mount? It looks as if the top iron pivot bolts, Lang's # 48090X, 26-27 roadster, would fit the mount in your picture.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by Jim Sims » Sun May 29, 2022 9:45 am

It looks like it may have the remains of a hollow tube of some sort that has been broken.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by Ken Buhler » Sun May 29, 2022 10:08 am

That is the correct place for the saddle. email me for detailed photos of what you need.
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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun May 29, 2022 10:16 am

The (non-threaded) top iron pivot mount is 2" behind the rear of the door and about 2" below the top of the body. The (threaded) top saddle mounts are located 12" behind the top pivot bolt mounts and about 1" lower.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 3:49 pm

TXGOAT2 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 8:42 am
NOTE: The top saddle arms mount back toward the upper rear of the body. The top iron pivot is mounted forward of. It looks as if the top iron pivot bolts, Lang's # 48090X, 26-27 roadster, would fit the mount in your picture.
That is correct, this is the rear mount, at the back corner of the body. Not the forward one near the door. That’s next.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 3:52 pm

Jim Sims wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 9:45 am
It looks like it may have the remains of a hollow tube of some sort that has been broken.

It does look like that, but it does not appear to be threaded.
And it is exactly like the other side. Here is a photo of the other side.
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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 3:54 pm

TXGOAT2 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 10:16 am
The (non-threaded) top iron pivot mount is 2" behind the rear of the door and about 2" below the top of the body. The (threaded) top saddle mounts are located 12" behind the top pivot bolt mounts and about 1" lower.
Yes, thank you, I am aware. This is the real most mount in the back of the body not the pivot mount next to the door.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 3:56 pm

Here is the mount from the outside.
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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun May 29, 2022 4:03 pm

That's odd. Could it have a threaded bushing in it? Threads stripped? Better check with Ken. It's definitely different from mine, and different from what the repro parts are meant for.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by Jim Sims » Sun May 29, 2022 4:06 pm

The copper color item shure looks like a bushing of some sort. See if you can remove it. It should not be there.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 4:41 pm

TXGOAT2 wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 4:03 pm
That's odd. Could it have a threaded bushing in it? Threads stripped? Better check with Ken. It's definitely different from mine, and different from what the repro parts are meant for.
Thanks, I sent Ken an email.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 4:41 pm

Jim Sims wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 4:06 pm
The copper color item shure looks like a bushing of some sort. See if you can remove it. It should not be there.
That’s a thought, I’ll see if I have an easy-out that’ll fit it.


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Re: 1926 Runabout Top Saddles

Post by QGolden » Sun May 29, 2022 5:12 pm

Jim Sims and TXGOAT2 get to split the grand prize!

I removed the bracket from the body and got it out into the sunlight. Shure ‘nuff there was a piece of 1/2 copper pipe jammed in there.

Got to go pull the other side, clean up the threads and figure out how to hold the nuts in place while I put the bracket back on!

Thanks all for the help!
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