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New headgaskets

Post by Norman Kling » Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:25 pm

Does anyone know whether new headgaskets are available now?
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:12 pm

In the past month I have called numerous vendors and head gasket company’s and the words “out of stock” have become the norm. I believe you can find fel-pro kits on flee-bay. They don’t have copper head gaskets thou. Headgaskets.com can make solid copper ones. Price is high but they can do it. Happy hunting
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TWrenn » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:39 am

As I mentioned a while back in a similar post about head gaskets, a reputable vendor told me the "machining" for these gaskets was finally "wore out"...some may recall the "last batch" turned out some defective, not-long-lasting gaskets. And so far new machining for these has yet to surface. Not a good omen at this point. As Bryant said, may have to bite the bullet and go "custom make" at that website. And yes, good luck.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TWrenn » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:41 am

Well, I just typed in that link and got a "website domain for sale" page instead. :cry: :(


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TWrenn » Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:03 am

:lol: You're feelin your oats today!! :lol:


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Norman Kling » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:00 am

I hadn't seen anything posted about it for several months and was hoping the problem had gone away. I have about 10 used ones, but I am reluctant to install one on a car which I use for tours .
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:58 am

Norm, contact Adam Doleshal through the forum. The head gaskets he sells are not copper, but they have worked for me. In fact, he prefers them over copper.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:42 pm

TWrenn wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:41 am
Well, I just typed in that link and got a "website domain for sale" page instead. :cry: :(
I don’t know what’s up with that site :shock: :lol: try gasketworks.com it’s the place Iam talking about.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TWrenn » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:13 pm

Bryant, I just tried the other link, and this time it sent me to some SHOE website!! :lol: :roll: Lemme try it again.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TWrenn » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:15 pm

Yuuup....NO luck! The URL box starts out with the gasketworks.com in it then quickly shifts to this!
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:58 pm

If you cant get a head gasget, you will need those Tim!😁


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:25 pm

Yeezy Boost ? :lol: :lol: what in the world? I don’t know I type it in and it comes right up. My search engine is duck duck go.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:29 pm

From there website under contact info
Copper@headgasket.com (email)
626-358-1616 (phone)
626-628-3777 (fax)
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by dykker5502 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:36 pm

Thisone worked for me: http://www.headgasket.com/
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Duey_C » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:39 am

Not to throw a wrench in the works.
Norm, you're handy, you could make one if need be. Parts store has gasket material. :)
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:11 am

dykker5502 wrote:
Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:36 pm
Thisone worked for me: http://www.headgasket.com/

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That’s the one! Contact them
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by KirkieP » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:34 pm

What Steve Jelf Said
Contact Adam Doleshal
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:30 pm

I contacted him also with a reply of no copper head gaskets. Not sure about other types
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Contact Adam Doleshal
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:13 pm

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This is what Adam uses and sells. It has worked for me.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:55 am

That gasket looks very similar to what Ford used on the later model flathead V8 engines. Those were a black, graphited, laminated gasket with a perforated steel core, asbestos, or other fiberous material laminate, and steel fire rings. They were trademarked "Graflex" and "Ford". They were not very thick.


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by blockheads2014 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:28 am

Could an adequate head gasket be made from Graphite gasket sheet stock?

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:37 am

Maybe. I've never seen a multi-cylinder head gasket that did not have fire rings. It's fairly easy to cut head gaskets for low power stationary engines from suitable gasket material. Such engines may or may not have originally had fire rings of copper or steel. They were similar to a T engine in construction, but they typically did not produce as much power per cubic inch as a T engine or run at anywhere near the speed of a T engine. I'm pretty sure a well-cut, hand made gasket cut from a suitable material and sprayed with Coppercoat or a similar product would work on a T... for a while. I'd think it would fail prematurely, however, and probably from burning through at the point where the material is narrowest between cylinders.


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:40 am

If you could get a sheet of steel-core gasket material like some exhaust manifod gaskets are made of, it might make a good head gasket. I'd think it would be very difficult to cut, and it would still lack fire rings, which all composite automotive head gaskets I've ever seen do have.


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by blockheads2014 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 am

I agree with your last 2 posts, but was just wondering if something could be made to get someone by. I still find it incredible that so plentiful a car is short of head gasket supply. It makes me wonder how hard I should push my cylinder head projects.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by ModelTWoods » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:15 pm

blockheads2014 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:59 am
I agree with your last 2 posts, but was just wondering if something could be made to get someone by. I still find it incredible that so plentiful a car is short of head gasket supply. It makes me wonder how hard I should push my cylinder head projects.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:25 pm

There are some YouTube videos of guys making solid copper head gaskets for 4 cylinder motorcycle engines. i pondered trying it for the T engine. 99%copper, make all the cuts, anneal and install. they made it look easy :) in times like these i think we should be trying to make things when there is a need. experimentation. you just don't know. the material cost is up but what would the experience be worth? and if it was successful? i wish i had a test stand engine, i would give it ago....
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by RajoRacer » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:56 pm

I've been running one of Les Schubert's solid copper head gaskets on my '19 Centerdoor with large valves & Ricardo head for several years - not a problem !

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by AndyClary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:37 pm

As I mentioned in another thread, if you have material and fusion 360, this is a simple water jet job.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Susanne » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:25 pm

I can't remember how to anneal solid copper gaskets so they're soft enough to keep working.. Can anyone help out??


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Mike Penserini » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:43 pm

I take all this as a sign that we should abandon our flatheads and move on to overheads. Fronty and Rajo gaskets are readily available. :D


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Post by RGould1910 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:38 pm

This week I received both a Felpro and a solid copper gasket. Both look good. The copper gasket comes annealed. I was told to clean thoroughly, give 5 or 6 dusting coats of copper spray sealant, lay down while still a bit tacky, finger tighten head bolts then torque down as you normally would. There is no need for retightening. The two end water passages have a bridge that I will remove using a dremel cut off wheel and an asbestos/copper gasket as a template. The gasket is .062" thick
The Felpro gasket is a solid piece of asbestos like material with what appears to be steel fire rings. The gasket is .065 " thick.
I have no problem using either.
The cost of the solid copper gasket is $150. Less is you get the thinner material, which I recall is .040" thick. The cost of the Felpro gasket set is about $192.00, and it includes some cork gaskets and an upgrade manifold set with rings on one side integral.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:42 pm

RGould1910 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:38 pm
This week I received both a Felpro and a solid copper gasket. Both look good. The copper gasket comes annealed. I was told to clean thoroughly, give 5 or 6 dusting coats of copper spray sealant, lay down while still a bit tacky, finger tighten head bolts then torque down as you normally would. There is no need for retightening. The gasket is .062" thick
The Felpro gasket is a solid piece of asbestos like material with what appears to be steel fire rings. The gasket is .065 " thick.
I have no problem using either.
The cost of the solid copper gasket is $150. Less is you get the thinner material. The cost of the Fel pro gasket set is about $192.00, and it includes some cork gaskets and an upgrade manifold set with rings on one side integral.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:44 pm

Susanne wrote:
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I can't remember how to anneal solid copper gaskets so they're soft enough to keep working.. Can anyone help out??
From what I gather you heat the to a dull red and then drop them in water.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Harry Lillo » Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:06 am

I have watched this discussion about the availability of head gaskets for the past few weeks with interest.
There seems to be a lot of speculation and a lot of opinions amd a lot of Google searches.
FACT 1: The regular suppliers of copper head gaskets have none in stock.
FACT 2: None of the regular suppliers with the exception of Adam have the "fiber" head gaskets in stock.
FACT 3: The current eBay selling price for a copper gasket is in the order of $150 .
FACT 4: The need for head gaskets has not gone down.
FACT 5 : There are some alternatives including solid copper but no one is prepared to make the investment.
RUMOUR: There are no copper clad gaskets because the dies broke or wore out.
With the size and strength of the MTFCA should somone (or group) take on a project to research the true reason for the lack of
copper clad head gaskets and seek a solution?
Diemakers are making and repairing dies all the time. I did a lot of work with a forge shop early in my career.
They were continiously "welding in" the dies to convert to new product.
Surely someone has the capability to repair these dies and make these gaskets.
The next question becomes "at what cost?" Many have suggested there is now a new norm in
the value of a head gasket; likely over $100 each.
Perhaps the MTFCA should study this situationi which is critical to the comtiuance of our hobby and
help find a solution?
I would invite your thoughts on this serious matter.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:33 am

Harry, I see your in Calgary? This place is also.
Laser Equations (operations) Ltd
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This place quoted a minimum 22 piece order solid copper 0.040 thick gasket. Unit price $111.95 each totaling at $2462.90 before shipping. (Prices subject to change) Maybe larger orders would be cheaper? It’s a risk investment with probably no profit. Selling of the order would be stressful. Who gets one first? But I think it’s far from over. The power has been shifted to the patrons….
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:02 am

a 1/16" sheet of annealed copper the size needed for a T gasket is somewhat over $60 just for the raw stock.

A $111 laser cut solid gasket is a screaming deal.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Harry Lillo » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:37 am

Bryant,
I am very familiar with Laser Equations.
I believe they cut with laser and waterjet.
There is another company that has similar capacity close to me as well.
Do you know if the quote is in US or Canadian dollars.
If it was in Canadian dollars that would equlate to 86 US dollars.
Twenty years ago I experienced and others here experienced failures in
copper clad head gaskets when the asbestos was removed and replaced
with a fiberglass like material.
I researched the current head gasket makers, and had minimum order of
100 gaskets made with the same elastomer core as modern V8 gaskets.
Yesterday I looked to see if the maker's name was on the packing box
but it was not. I expect they were the suppliers to the vendors after we got
the product right.
Does anyone here know the name of the company that made the gaskets for our hobby?
That company is the one we need to approach to possibly get the gaskets back into production.
Failing that we need to promote a high quality fiber gasket with good fire rings. Who makes those?
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:52 am

Harry,
The old quote was from there company so I guess it was not US dollars? It doesn’t confirm that on the quote.
So we have a bulk gasket option (laser equations)
The Felpro kit option
Adam’s supply (mentioned by Steve)
The gasket works single unit option (rgould example)
And the rare out in the wild option
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Post by RGould1910 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:04 pm

Reporting on the solid copper head gasket I purchased last week. Last night I set the gasket on the block and installed the head bolts, all but one. One of the headbolt holes didn't line up. In addition, one piston and at least one valve head comes very close to hitting the head gasket as you turn the motor over. I have a standard bore engine. If I keep the gasket I will open the hole for the bolt and valve and widen the opening for at least one piston. I wanted to alert those who may be interested in buying one of these of the issues with mine.

For comparison, I also set the Felpro gasket on the block and it lines up perfectly.
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Post by Dropacent » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:23 pm

Richard , I believe your first picture shows the gasket put on backwards. There is a front and back to the gasket. That wouldn’t effect the bolt holes, of course , but if an annealed copper gasket was dropped on its edge in the package, it could certainly distort that much. I’d just try using a good size tapered punch on the hole , and see if you can’t walk it that little bit.


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Post by Dropacent » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:48 pm

Richard, I viewed your copper sample in your 6-24 post, and that gasket is symmetrical. The original is not. So, you are losing a bit of gasket surface in its use. I still think that hole could probably be walked into place, but perhaps better would be whoever made it, to be aware of the mistake in the shape they cut before they cut a thousand of them. ;-) . JMHO


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:54 pm

That looks like damage to me. As for the tight clearance at the edge of the bores or valves, those area could be relieved as needed with a dremel tool or with hand tools.


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Post by RGould1910 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:54 am

I agree the gasket either warped in the annealing process or was dropped. One end was bent when I got it although the packaging was perfect. I tried reversing the gasket before I posted my findings. Same result on the rear hole. I am reluctant to stretch the gasket into place for fear of thinning it. Although I could relieve the touching areas, I shouldn't have to modify a gasket to fit properly. If the gasket was dropped, it likely was not done in transit. Regardless, the seller is responsible for curing the defect under UCC.


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Re: New headgaskets

Post by blockheads2014 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:02 am

Does Felpro sell just head gaskets, rather than whole engine sets? If so, who carries them?

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Post by TRDxB2 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:47 am

blockheads2014 wrote:
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Does Felpro sell just head gaskets, rather than whole engine sets? If so, who carries them?

Tod
Felpro sells just head gaskets for some car/models like a Model A but not for a Model T.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Norman Kling » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:56 am

Thank you all very much. A friend has loaned me a copper gasket, and I hope to be able to pay him back when they are again being manufactured.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:13 am

Looks like MAC’s ford auto parts have the composite style head gaskets listed “in stock”
Could it be….?
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Craig Leach » Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:44 pm

All this about head gaskets, I have used about every kind made all with good success. When needed on some small engines I have reused head gaskets more than once with good results. But I have never tried doing it on a Model T ( it has crossed my mind ) as I had one gasket come off very nice.
When this head gasket thing first started over a year ago I was able to find enough to cover my projected needs. Not all of them where copper but??
Like I said I've had good success with all of them. I cleaned up the used gasket I have & soaked it in a cement mixing tub with some water in it in the Az. sun. Would anyone like to try using it? and if so what would it be worth?
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Dilrod » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:02 pm

Greetings,

I just got a call from Smith and Jones in SC regarding a gasket I've had on backorder for some time. Their supplier has advised them that they should have copper available in about 8 weeks.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:24 pm

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Their supplier has advised them that they should have copper available in about 8 weeks.

I expect that will apply to the other parts dealers too. I imagine that copper has been out of stock everywhere because one source was supplying all of them.

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:28 pm

Regarding the Fel-Pro blue colored head gaskets, these gaskets, or similar looking Fel Pro gaskets were not intended to need re-torquing, at least on modern applications, such as a Ford FE V8. I'm guessing that would not apply to using one of these gaskets on a Model T when installing a new aluminum head. Does anyone have experience doing this?

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by CudaMan » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:40 pm

IMO, It's hard to believe that a modern head gasket design made to withstand 4X the combustion pressure and a cooling system pressurized to 16 psi can't hold up to Model T use.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Bryant » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 pm

Here are my findings
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here is the silicone style from Ecklers. Looks and feels great. Placed on a stock head it fits very nicely. Fire rings don’t putrid into the combustion zone. IMO they look like high quality gaskets that I would trust to work on a stock set up.(provided it’s true)
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here is the same gasket on an aluminum higher compression head (Prus head) the gasket putrids into the combustion zone in spots due to a different combustion design. IMO I think this would wear this style gasket down causing it to fail. Now the copper gasket fits nicely on both stock and modified.
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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Original Smith » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:01 am

Too bad Victor stopped making the 101!

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Re: New headgaskets

Post by Craig Leach » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:24 pm

I respectfully submit for your approval a new copper head gasket on top of a new silicon head gasket if you look close you will see that there is very little if any difference between the two. I suggest the issue is more the aluminum heads than the gaskets.
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