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Post by Professor Fate » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:29 pm

How bad is this?
Wood is cracked and deteriorated. Car runs good for 5 seconds then skips and does not recover.
Asking for a friend.....
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:35 pm

It's bad. :shock:


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Re: THE HORROR!

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:47 pm

I have repaired worse.

Best though is to replace the wood with a good (used to be?) Fun Projects kit (if they are still available?).


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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by John kuehn » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:19 pm

No Brainer! Coil box is shot and needs rebuilding. No kidding.

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by TRDxB2 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:26 pm

This all you should need. You want to reuse the the metal contacts top & bottom (the Top have left & rights). The porcelain insulators clean up well in a rust dissolver. Whenn you take the bottom off not how its wired and to which post. The bottom contact needs its rivets drilled out and riveted back in place using the pop rivets included in the set. 4 screws hold the back & just one on the bottom
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Oldav8tor » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:34 pm

I don't think the plastic replacement kits are currently available. Nonetheless, the wood in that box is shot and needs replacement.
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Professor Fate » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:35 pm

I've converted mine to plastic and that's fantastic!
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Mark Gregush » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:51 pm

I made my own out of a 1/2 inch thick cutting board, it was blue! :) All you need is a table saw and drill. You have a pattern.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by RajoRacer » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:10 am

Snyder's is selling a copy of the Fun Projects kit - it will do the job !


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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Professor Fate » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:26 am

I like the cutting board idea. Its a "slice above the rest!"
Did you use a router for the grooves for the coil contacts?
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by rainer » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:08 am

Professor Fate wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:26 am
I like the cutting board idea. Its a "slice above the rest!"
Did you use a router for the grooves for the coil contacts?
I would use good Beech plywood. The more layers it has, the better. Instead of milling out grooves, you may also consider buying plywood in two thicknesses, One piece in overall size, and then glue thin stripes on it with water-resistant glue to thicken it up "between grooves". This way you also get the grooves without requiring a mill/router.

After finishing the new boards, I would soak them in oil. This gives a beautiful look and makes them water-resistant.

In my Lizzy, I oiled the boards when I had to pull the engine and the entire coilbox was unmounted. Was a quick job with surprising good results.
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Duey_C » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:30 am

That one sure was yucky!
If those kits are like/the Fun Projects kits, they are very, very nice.
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by John kuehn » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:28 am

In any coil box rebuild it should be mentioned as it was to reuse the original contacts inside the coil box.
The original contacts are much better than what’s being made now and will retain their tension almost forever. That tension is important for good contact.


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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by George Mills » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:00 am

Aww....comeon...

My '15 had a box like that and started fine for the longest time. It was a bit of a mule starting, but it started and ran...

Unless...

You washed the car....

Or...

You managed to get past the washed the car thing, and let the car sit in a really hot sun, and then it was a 6 legged push start.

Funny, went with a fun projects rebuild kit just for the heck of it and now the mule seems to have retired or gone out to permanent pasture...

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:20 am

Moisture will aggravate problems with deteriorated ignition systems. Add a little salt and you're really not good to go.

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Mark Gregush » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:02 pm

Professor Fate wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:26 am
I like the cutting board idea. Its a "slice above the rest!"
Did you use a router for the grooves for the coil contacts?
Nothing so fancy as a router, just multiple passes on the table saw. I didn't have a dado blade setup at the time, but would have worked better.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:53 pm

Note this requirement
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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Professor Fate » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:28 pm

My good friend says plastic coil box upgrade improved nothing except aesthetics. Still skipping like a little girl....
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Re: THE HORROR! Coil Box

Post by speedytinc » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:47 pm

You can have multiple problems.
Did your friend look @ the condition of the timer & brush?
It appears the coils have been reworked already.

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Re: THE HORROR!

Post by Mark Gregush » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:56 pm

Professor Fate wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:28 pm
My good friend says plastic coil box upgrade improved nothing except aesthetics. Still skipping like a little girl....
Maybe your friend just didn't want to spend the extra and used that as an excuse. ;) With the cover on, you can't see it and have to look real close around the terminals to even notice.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: THE HORROR! Coil Box

Post by Professor Fate » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:09 pm

Yes. New Ron Patterson coils. But it has a very crusty and very vintage wiring harness. He's going thru it now step by step. Timer is next target to eval i guess.
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Re: THE HORROR! Coil Box

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:57 pm

The ignition system consists of a number of parts and assemblies. All of the parts and assemblies must be in good working order for the system to work properly and consistently deliver a good spark to each cylinder at the proper time, every time. The ignition system is somewhat like a chain. It will only function as well as the weakest link.

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