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				No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:15 am
				by Dave_Kriegel
				I have been working on Model T's for 20 years and still only know a little bit  about these great cars   This forum and the little black book have taught me a great deal !   I am fixing one that has no connecting control  rods between the spark advance and carb control rods on the steering column  There are no connecting pieces on either of the rods! It appears someone either removed them or put the column in upside down. Therefore no control over carb or spark advance 
My question is does anyone  make a connection piece(s) I can fit to the rods so I can then connect the connecting rods to the spark advance and carb ? 
It appears at the factory these were slipped over the rod as a unit  I would prefer not to take the steering column out . Probably easy just something I have not yet done  Basically any suggestions on how to fix this problem 
This car a 2 seater has the convertible top frame so I also need to learn to mount the fabric top to the back bottom rail  Always some new skill to learn
THANK YOU RAJORACER for your reply  These are the parts I thing I need to mount to proper rods connecting the commutator and carb !!
https://www.modeltford.com/item/6297.aspx 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:31 am
				by Mark Nunn
				The throttle and spark rod levers are available from the vendors.  Part numbers are 3530 for spark and 3531A for throttle. I checked Lang's but I assume Chaffins, Snyders and others have them too.
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:43 am
				by Norman Kling
				It would be helpful to know a bit more about the car.  I will list some questions.
1.  Do you know what year it is?  There are some differences with the 26-27 cars.
2. Are the rods on the steering column at the top of the column or underneath it?  You say it appears to be upside down.  A picture would help.
3. Is there a hole in the center of the block below the water input and the carburetor?
4. Some pictures would help us understand which connections are missing.
Norm
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:02 am
				by John kuehn
				Yes a picture of your car is needed to determine what year your car is.   The small control levers on the ends of the control rods were originally held on with pins that were braded on. 
Remember when you replace them they need to be in the right position when they are  installed.  The Ford service manual has pictures of the engine compartment where you can see how they are positioned.
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:47 am
				by RajoRacer
				You might consider one of these for the throttle but I don't believe there's enough room near the steering bracket to use for the spark lead.
https://www.modeltford.com/item/6297.aspx 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:04 am
				by Steve Jelf
				It's unclear to me exactly what you're missing. Look in your parts book. There are pictures of levers (3530, 3531) and pull rods (3534, 3535). The book tells which versions of those parts belong on your car. If you buy levers, be sure you get the pins that hold them in place.
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 am
				by RajoRacer
				I'm understanding from his post that someone didn't re-install the throttle & spark leads on the column and he stated he'd rather not remove the column to install them. 
I believe one might just remove the steering bracket from the frame and slide the throttle lead onto the rod & pin it - obviously, one would need to re-install the steering bracket prior to installing the spark lead on & pinning it.
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:04 pm
				by John kuehn
				Pictures say a thousand words.   Was the car your working on a running car?   If it was it must have had a different set than an original car.
			 
			
					
				Re: No connections between steering column and carb or spark advance problem?
				Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:56 pm
				by Mark Gregush
				The lower bracket is installed be for the spark lever at the bottom. It can be installed while everything is in the car. For the throttle, install that one that the link was posted to, or take off the pitman arm, unbolt and side the lower mounting bracket down and install the correct one. The column does not have to be removed.