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How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:24 pm

I have installed a NH carb on my 1927 engine, so I need to install a lever in the hole in the rod. The hole is located about 10" below the present lever.

How do I get the rod exposed so I can slip the lever over the rod?
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by Dan Hatch » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:03 pm

Ford made a bolt on lever just for this. T6297 I think. It was being reproduced, not sure if it still is.


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:14 pm

Remove the pitman arm and lower support bracket. Then, remove all the paint from the throttle and timer rods, since it doesn't belong there anyway, (same with the steering shaft), and it will impede the installation of the lever. Then, slide the lever onto the throttle shaft & pin in place.


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Describe how to remove the pitman arm and lower support bracket.


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:43 pm

Clarify why the paint should be removed from the rods and steering shaft.


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by jiminbartow » Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:24 pm

Paint does not need to be removed as long as the thickness of the paint does not impede the movement of the levers rods and steering shaft. The paint does serve the purpose of protecting them from rust. Mine are painted. Jim Patrick
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by John.Zibell » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:41 am

If your block doesn't have the hole (have you checked?) this is available. http://www.modeltford.com/item/6299CL.aspx
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by DanTreace » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:49 am

BLB27 wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:41 pm
Describe how to remove the pitman arm and lower support bracket.
Follow the steps and photos in Ford Service, Chapter XXV, Steering Gear Overhaul. That includes removing the pitman arm ball, sometimes a gear puller is needed, sometimes just a lead mallet strike.

The timer lever arm has to be removed, by driving out the rivet, after that , just pull off the steering bracket from the shaft and the two rods.

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Slip on the spacer bracket, that goes around the shaft and helps separate the two rods, then slip the new throttle arm up the throttle shaft, then be sure to index the arm so the long arm is pointed at the motor, with the lever at the quadrant moved all the way to the top. Rivet the arm to the throttle shaft, a small cut to length nail can be used as the rivet.
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by Scott_Conger » Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:48 am

1. I'd buy the kit that John Z recommended and use things as-is
2. Or I'd buy this, and be done with it https://www.modeltford.com/item/6297.aspx


since the steering bracket has never been off, then the bushing is undoubtedly original and worn. If you don't renew it, and don't restore everything on the front axle, you will have a pretty car that is constantly looking for a ditch.
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by jab35 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:41 am

Follow Scott's advice, check the bushing AND SHAFT for wear. My experience has been that both will be worn. Replacing the bushing will help, but the shaft may need to be built up to make the steering tight. YMMV, sincerely, jb


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:08 pm

What is the best to check the shaft and bushing for wear?


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by fordt » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pm

While he’s getting into this, I’ll ask a similar question. Does this black “spacer/divider” stay in place anywhere or supposed to end up somewhere along the length of the shaft? I reckon left to it’s own it’d slide down to the carb lever anyway…
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:32 pm

fordt wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pm
I reckon left to it’s own it’d slide down to the carb lever anyway…
Yup, and that's where it does its best work. :)

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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by RajoRacer » Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:14 pm

Is that your column Rob ? Reason for asking is there are small pins that go inside the spring retainer cups - not cotter pins outside - the cups are upside down.


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by fordt » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:50 pm

Oops! This is how they came off of Frankencar, easy enuff, I’ll swap that out! I reckon I thought it looked right because the springs went right into the cups! Thanks!


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:41 pm

How is the best way to check the bushing and shaft for wear?


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by jab35 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:41 am

Pull the lower steering bracket, clean everything and measure the diameter of the shaft where it rides in the bushing. The shaft is probably worn to the extent you can 'feel' the difference between worn and original diameter, but a micrometer will quantify it. The wear on the shaft will not be uniform around the circumference. Build up the low spots with the mig and machine to original 0.750" diameter or throw about $250 toward a modern replacement steering shaft.

For the bracket, just replace the 7/8 x 3/4 x 1-1/4" bronze/brass bushing in the bracket (only one bushing in '26-'27). You will be pleased (and safer) with the results. jb


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:53 pm

What is the best way to remove the steering bracket?

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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by RajoRacer » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:07 pm

Remove it from what ??? The frame or steering column ???


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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:19 pm

From the steering column. The steering column is off the frame.

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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by DanTreace » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:34 pm

BLB27 wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:19 pm
From the steering column. The steering column is off the frame.


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Post by DanTreace » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:49 am

BLB27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:41 pm
Describe how to remove the pitman arm and lower support bracket.
Follow the steps and photos in Ford Service, Chapter XXV, Steering Gear Overhaul. That includes removing the pitman arm ball, sometimes a gear puller is needed, sometimes just a lead mallet strike.

The timer lever arm has to be removed, by driving out the rivet, after that , just pull off the steering bracket from the shaft and the two rods.
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:40 pm

With the spark rod lever removed as Dan showed, put the steering shaft in a vise and tap the bracket off with a drift and a hammer.
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Re: How Do I Install a Throttle Lever?

Post by BLB27 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:48 pm

Dan, Oops!! I should have remembered the 9/26 post.

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