Any suggestions now on how to remove?
Turbo 400 new hub removal issue
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
-
DanTreace
Topic author - Posts: 3812
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
- First Name: Dan
- Last Name: Treace
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
- Location: North Central FL
- Board Member Since: 2000
- Contact:
Turbo 400 new hub removal issue
Anyone had this trouble removing a New Turbo type clutch hub? The material is cast steel unlike Ford forging, and is stuck . When using the puller, the hole broke away, being soft cast steel.
Any suggestions now on how to remove?
Any suggestions now on how to remove?
Last edited by DanTreace on Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
-
Scott_Conger
- Posts: 6523
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:18 am
- First Name: Scott
- Last Name: Conger
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919
- Location: not near anywhere, WY
- Board Member Since: 2005
Re: Watts hub removal issue
I'd say you're pretty much left with a drill and a sharp cold chisel. I'd drill down through the boss immediately adjacent to the key and then split the thing.
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
-
speedytinc
- Posts: 4725
- Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:24 pm
- First Name: john
- Last Name: karvaly
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 14/15 wide track roadster. 23 touring, 27 roadster pickup, 20ish rajo touring
- Location: orange, ca
- Board Member Since: 2020
Re: Watts hub removal issue
How unfortunate. I was not aware of this design defect.
Go back to the original FORD clutch hub & use the modified th400 disks.
Wont be an issue. A full bank of teeth isnt necessary for th400 disks wear or function wise.
Go back to the original FORD clutch hub & use the modified th400 disks.
Wont be an issue. A full bank of teeth isnt necessary for th400 disks wear or function wise.
-
JTT3
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:57 am
- First Name: John
- Last Name: Tannehill
- Location: Hot Coffee, MS
Re: Watts hub removal issue
……………………. ….
Last edited by JTT3 on Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
Kerry
- Posts: 1447
- Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:42 pm
- First Name: Frank
- Last Name: van Ekeren
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1916 touring, 1916 pick-up, 1924 coupe, 1926 touring, 1927 touring
- Location: Rosedale Vic Australia
Re: Watts hub removal issue
It could have been fitted with Loctite, that will require heating up to get it to let go.
-
Jerry VanOoteghem
- Posts: 4082
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:06 pm
- First Name: Jerry
- Last Name: Van
- Location: S.E. Michigan
Re: Watts hub removal issue
Try grabbing 2 of the holes in the web with a gear puller. You've essentially got 3 tries to pull it off if those holes tear out too.
-
Craig Leach
- Posts: 1906
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:22 am
- First Name: craig
- Last Name: leach
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Firetruck/1922 Speedster
- Location: Laveen Az
Re: Watts hub removal issue
Hi Dan,
This is where the old 3 jaw puller and a grinder come in handy if you can get the jaws in threw the holes. That's if you intend on using the hub
again. If you are not intending to use the hub then Scotts drill and split will be the way to go but you still may need to pull it off.
Craig.
This is where the old 3 jaw puller and a grinder come in handy if you can get the jaws in threw the holes. That's if you intend on using the hub
again. If you are not intending to use the hub then Scotts drill and split will be the way to go but you still may need to pull it off.
Craig.
-
Mark Gregush
- Posts: 5370
- Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:57 pm
- First Name: Mark
- Last Name: Gregush
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1925 cutdown PU, 1948 F2 Ford flat head 6 pickup 3 speed
- Location: Portland Or
- Board Member Since: 1999
Re: Watts hub removal issue
That isn't a Watt's clutch hub, it is a turbo 400 type. Watt's clutches are completely a different animal that are only made to use the original type parts.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! 
1925 Cut down pickup
1948 Ford F2 pickup
1925 Cut down pickup
1948 Ford F2 pickup
-
Dan McEachern
- Posts: 1400
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:08 am
- First Name: DAN
- Last Name: MCEACHERN
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: too many. '14 touring, 2 depot hacks, 2 speedsters
- Location: ALAMEDA,CA,USA
Re: Watts hub removal issue
Weld a small strap across the broken out section so you can use your hub puller. Then heat up the hub with a torch and retry pulling it off.
-
DanTreace
Topic author - Posts: 3812
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
- First Name: Dan
- Last Name: Treace
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
- Location: North Central FL
- Board Member Since: 2000
- Contact:
Re: Turbo 400 new hub removal issue
Got the thing off, the cast steel was too hard to drill away, so used a torch and carefully cut away the metal at the key way slot. Then the hub could be pulled up and off.
Replaced with an earlier Ford forged clutch drum part, that accepts the Jack Rabbit discs, modified Turbo 400 with tabs removed at sections around the disc, those perform good with Ford parts.
Replaced with an earlier Ford forged clutch drum part, that accepts the Jack Rabbit discs, modified Turbo 400 with tabs removed at sections around the disc, those perform good with Ford parts.
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
-
speedytinc
- Posts: 4725
- Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:24 pm
- First Name: john
- Last Name: karvaly
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 14/15 wide track roadster. 23 touring, 27 roadster pickup, 20ish rajo touring
- Location: orange, ca
- Board Member Since: 2020
Re: Turbo 400 new hub removal issue
Good job.
Here's a hint. Check the diameter of the clutch hub in 6 places. Sometimes, because of the tight fit on the center shaft, the edges will "taco" out of round, from a previous pull, enough for the clutches to go in tight.
Here's a hint. Check the diameter of the clutch hub in 6 places. Sometimes, because of the tight fit on the center shaft, the edges will "taco" out of round, from a previous pull, enough for the clutches to go in tight.