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They made a jillion of these things. They're not quite a dime a dozen, but they're pretty close to it. BUT how many have you seen with the well defined Ford logo, part number, and maker's mark? Not many, I bet. Since I started paying attention to that, I've seen very few like this. Many have no marks at all. This one also doesn't have the sides mashed from being pounded with a hammer to tighten or loosen rear wheel nuts.

That's the best wrench for not buggering up your hub caps because of the "shoulder" ! That's the only type I carry in my T's.

That's the only one I have seen with the flange around both the hubcap end and the front spindle nut end.

Allan from down under.

Steve, that is a nice one, little used too!

For me the favorite to carry is the later '25 version, it has flanges to fit around the front Timken bearing cone, makes it very good to adjust the bearings.

The below chart made by John Regan is a nice ref. when looking to purchase the 1349 hub cap wrench for your tool displays.



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Another good imprint of markings:

Although that wrench was made by Henry, it is great for the front wheel bearings and nut, but I would not use it on the rear wheel or spindle. You need a much longer handle to get the torque for the rear wheel and need two wrenches for the spindle. That one looks very good, Steve.
Norm

I believe that the rear axle hole is for the drain plug on the oil pan.

I have a bunch of them, and as Steve said, they are hard to find that have not been beat to death on the sides. Darryl

Steve is the one you have pictured in the earlier post been cleaned up? Maybe been in Evaporust? Looks really nice and hardly been used. I wonder if they had some type of raven or etc finish on them when you got a new T.

...is the one you have pictured in the earlier post been cleaned up? Maybe been in Evaporust?

Yes, Evaporust and then a wire brush. I don't know about the original finish, if any. I paint the jacks black except for the screw, which is greased. I oil the wrenches.

Leonard makes a good point about the 'rear axle nut' hole. That tool is not designed to undo/tension a rear axle nut. The service tool for that purpose has a long handle, required to attain the correct load on the nut. Using it as the drain plug tool is in line wit the uses for the other holes in the wrench. All are service items.

Allan from down under.

I don't know what's rare about it!

Sarcasm went to California and apparently got lost

I saw one of these in a pile of parts in the garage, I should inspect it next time...

I have been playing with T's now for 60 years. I have a special interest in tools, trading them at swap meets all over the place. I have NEVER seen another just like this one. I have seen them with the flanges on the hubcaps end and the folded edges on the front wheel bearing cone hole, and the ubiquitous dead flat 4 hole variety. To me, this one is a rarity.
Allan from down under.

Perhaps these styles didn't migrate to the lands downunder


Have seen many, and have two in the shop for handy use on hub caps.


And maybe very hard to see, but the print image in a repo 1915 Price List of Parts seem to show the ends of the wrench with thick raised flanges, this one is somewhat common as used for many years, then the changes came to reduce cost in the 'twenties and the 1349 got thinner metal and different stamped openings. Rather think the double raised end ones with the Ford script would be after late 'teens or so when many parts got Ford script.

So what company is identified by the triangle under the number?

This is a very good question regarding the Triangle with MW. I have heard some folks say Montgomery Ward - but I dont buy it. I have looked at lots of trade marks by manufacturer and have not come up with a good explanation for this manufacturer. I would really like to hear from others on this - I would kind of look to John Regan or Dan Treace for guidance on this.
Stu Tomlinson

Steve,

I think is it wise to look at the details on all these common tools. I have found unusual stampings, double stampings, and other kind of errors. There has been some discussion about this in the National Foord Tool Collectors magazine in the past year.

I have attached photo of an NOS Ford script T-1349 but with no manufacturer's insignia. I have also included a 1349 wrench with a very unusual Ford script in which the tail over the F goes clear over to the letter "d". I have not seen one like this before and wonder if others could help with this. This specific wrench has no raised flanges on it.

The diagram of the 3-hole wrench for the 1911 hub wrench that Dan Treace attached (From John Regan article on Artifacts) I believe is dated very accurately ending in late 1911. I have questioned the information in the Model TFCI Judging Guidelines about this 3-hole wrench existing to 1914. If this was the case, there would be more available and less fakes produced due to the fact some of these cars would have been produced on the assembly line and therefore more of the tools made available for those years.

Steve,
Attached is another photo showing the variations with manufacturers for the 1349 wrench.
stu

John Regan made nice drawings to show the history of the hub cap wrench. but I am surprised no one mentions that the hole for the spindle nut should be a hexagon or 6 sided. Hub caps are octagon, or 8 sided, but the others should be hexagons.
Keep that in mind when you are looking for a 1349 wrench for your tool display.

The below chart made by John Regan is a nice ref. when looking to purchase the 1349 hub cap wrench for your tool displays.



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Hub cap wrench history.jpg



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Another good imprint of markings:

Ford hubcap with wm logo.jpg
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Jim, it's easy to get things mixed up. I once found TWO of the three hole wrenches for my 1912 T van, at a yard called "Ford and More" in Spokane. I was already taking the notes out of my wallet, when I noticed that the big end was a hexagon, and the wrenches were for a Chev.

You have noted the mistake in John Reagan's drawings, but then made the mistake of pointing to the rear axle nut hole when in fact the drawing shows the front spindle nut as an octagon. I would never have thought to question John's work, given the excellent products he has made for our T's

Allan from down under.

Allan wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:53 pm

Jim, it's easy to get things mixed up. I once found TWO of the three hole wrenches for my 1912 T van, at a yard called "Ford and More" in Spokane. I was already taking the notes out of my wallet, when I noticed that the big end was a hexagon, and the wrenches were for a Chev.

You have noted the mistake in John Reagan's drawings, but then made the mistake of pointing to the rear axle nut hole when in fact the drawing shows the front spindle nut as an octagon. I would never have thought to question John's work, given the excellent products he has made for our T's

Allan from down under.

Thank you Allan, for pointing out my mistake. I made the correction.
Jim, Sr.