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Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:56 pm
by jyancho
I’m working to build a tool kit for my 1915 touring. I found two T-1387 wrenches one having markings of “Moore drop forged” and one with no markings other than part number and ford script. Would either of these match what was included in ‘15?

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:16 pm
by Steve Jelf
I believe the top wrench is non-Ford. The second one is pre-26, but I don't now how far back it goes. Check the encyclopedia.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:22 pm
by John kuehn
I have 3 19-24 Model T’s but I never have tried to put original tool kits together for them. I have several T tools so my question is this. The older T’s have a older looking spark plug wrench but not completely sure about the rest.

Do some of the tools kits have crossover tools that were used in kits from one year to another or were they just used for certain years. So would a 15 tool kit differ in some ways from a 24.
Thanks

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:39 pm
by jyancho
Thanks Steve, they both have a ford script and T-1387 on them.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:04 pm
by DanTreace
That top wrench by Moore Forge, with the script on the upper edge of the monkey end is correct for 1915.

Here are a few of the correct tools, acknowledgement and credit of chopped photo to Russ Furstnow, c/o his complete article of Tools and Display Items for the Model T, Model T Times, No. 438, Mar-Apr 2022







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Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:24 pm
by George Mills
My version of a '15...this time out of the roll...(yet as the late Bruce McCalley would say even on his published 'bible'---always open revision based on proven and verified fact :)

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Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:25 pm
by Steve Jelf
So would a 15 tool kit differ in some ways from a 24.

Yes. By 1924 Ford had quit supplying the screwdriver, and put a screwdriver tip on the pliers handle.



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Two versions of the #2335 spark plug & head bolt wrench:
Twenties (top) & Teens (bottom).

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:18 am
by Allan
When did T1917 band adjusting wrench assume the diamond shape between the ends in later production?
I have a much bulkier version with large Ford script in my 1912 toolkit.
Allan from down under.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:58 am
by Rob
:shock: My mistake….. thought it said “wenches…..”

Wrong site…….

Merry Christmas

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:27 am
by John kuehn
Hi Rob!
Since the post is about tool kits and wrenches for old Ford cars did any wrenches or tool kits come with the Model K Ford? I’ll bet if they did they are pretty hard to find. Just curious since your pretty knowledgeable about the K’s. Thanks

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:33 pm
by Rob
John,
Yes, a tool roll/pouch. I’ve not seen one, just the advertisement for the set in a Ford sundries book:

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:02 pm
by John kuehn
Thanks for the information. There’s probably no way to know if the very early Ford tools were even marked Ford. Like a lot of old tools if they probably found their way for other uses and ended up used up and thrown away at a scrapper.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:07 pm
by jyancho
Could someone post a close up picture of the 1915 pliers and screwdriver?

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:15 pm
by George Mills
Here is the drawing someone posted for the screwdriver…I do not have a drawing on pliers

The driver shaft is square, not round stock -
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Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:39 pm
by Steve Jelf
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Wish we had a scan of this. Camera shots are usually impossible to really correct.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:32 am
by Allan
George, that's the drawing my wood turner uses to make the blanks for the screwdrivers I rebuild. I have a couple on the go at the moment. Those square shafts are really hard to find.

Allan from down under.

Re: Date these wrenches

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:41 am
by WayneJ
You may wish to start a new thread seeking info on 1915 pliers as it is burried in this thread. It would get more notice in a seperate thread.