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Hello T people

I found a T-Motor today, and that's not something we take for granted here in Switzerland.
It's sort of a surprise bag. The engine has been in dry storage during a car recycling for the last approx. 70 years.

Cylinder bore, valve stems and lifters appear to be original dimensions. Let's see what we can do with it as it looks pretty bad with my Touring 1926 block.

But this kind of timing cover is unknown to me.....
What was installed there?

Thanks for info

Thats a mag drive, looks like it was intended for a Fordson tractor. The alumn. hogshead is interesting on a motor with a one piece valve cover.

After market high tension Magneto mount.

Type of magneto drive front plate, missing the mag. The engine is a '26-'27, and the hogshead too, note the two bolts and bosses to back of engine block.

Jim Eubanks wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:17 pm

Thats a mag drive, looks like it was intended for a Fordson tractor. The alumn. hogshead is interesting on a motor with a one piece valve cover.

The H/H has a square block off plate.

Interesting way of routing outside oil line. Never seen that before. Also might need accy bolt on rear pan-to-frame brackets. Congrats on scoring that engine !

Excellent score!

Thanks for the feedback.

The engine was probably made later. It has the number 151763xx.

Is it possible that the motor was only produced in 1931?

greetings from Switzerland

Jim Eubanks wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:17 pm

Thats a mag drive, looks like it was intended for a Fordson tractor. The alumn. hogshead is interesting on a motor with a one piece valve cover.

Jim,
Is it a “known” that a Fordson tractor mag drive will fit a T engine?

Nice! You have one of the "after production" engines Beat.
June or July, 1931.
Engine 15,109,072 lives here. June, 1928.
Still astounds me that Ford assembled T engines 14 years after production stopped.
Well, they are tough little cars, built to go.
Mike, I'd like to know that too tho I "think" not.

Hello T people

First of all, a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone. Many thanks for all the good tips and all the nice contacts around the world that I was able to get through this forum over the last few months.

I poured some Coca-Cola for my fresh motor for Christmas....
Cheers and let it take effect over the holidays....
I hope to find some time after the holidays to disassemble the engine. I am very curious about the condition inside.

However, I have one more question. What kind of valves are there? Were these with the inscription NOVA installed later?

greetings from Switzerland

Yes, those appear to be aftermarket valves.

Nice looking engine, especially for where in the world you are!

The high tension magneto drive is not one I recognize? Bosch, Columbo, and Matco are fairly common. This one sticks out a bit longer which makes it look like maybe Fordson tractor? However, I don't think that it is meant for a Fordson.
Been a long time, I used to have a similar Bosch drive for a Fordson (it said so right on the casting!). But it looks a bit different, and actually stuck out even farther!
As I recall, The one I had bolted onto the timer's position, and therefore could be put onto a model T engine? However, the other mounting bolts were set farther out and it would not bolt straight onto a model T block. I figured at the time that I could make it work on a model T, and did consider using it on a model T. However, I sold it awhile later Other supporting bolts were nowhere near fitting onto a model T block. So my guess is that this one looks like a model T fit as the other bolts don't appear to line up with what I had.
The one I had, I did set onto the front of my engine on the T I had at the time. It stuck out far enough that the magneto would have been sitting over the frame rail and stuck out past the sides of the hood!

If I am wrong, I do hope someone will correct me, as I don't know Fordson tractors that well.

I had a little time today and dismantled the pulley and timing cover. Therefore, for all those interested, a picture of the inside.

To my astonishment, the crankshaft shows hardly any wear on the sealing. Can't wait to see the rest of the engine...

I'm surprised at how well I've been able to loosen the screws so far. I'm curious to see how well I can get the pistons and valves loose at the end. The engine is completely stuck...

Greetings from Switzerland, which is extraordinarily warm and snow-free at this time.
We are experiencing just the opposite as much of the US.

Beat,

In terms of freeing it up it's probably worth removing the pan and taking the big end caps off to see what's holding it back. It may not be the pistons and/or it may only be one or two that are seized, in which case you can then concentrate on the primary source of the problem.

Otherwise with such a late engine I guess it should have the 'good' EE crank, hopefully it turns out to be ok.

Luke.

Hello Lukas

Yes, I planned to completely disassemble the engine and actually did it today. Unfortunately, luck wasn't entirely on my side.
The first main bearing is in many pieces and the connecting rods have a lot of lateral play.
The crankshaft was also ground and there are no more radii at the bearing points. This is probably useless....

Now I have to see what to do next.

greetings from Switzerland

Beat, this engine is full of wonder and surprises for you and us also.
I shouldn’t and sorry to type so much. I’ve never looked at a complete magneto drive setup in place and find it interesting.
The makers built it for precise gear clearance with the ball bearing that slides inside the drive gear and also used the ball bearing stud for an extra end thrust adjuster for the camshaft. I don’t recall the model A directions for adjusting end thrust but other engines say to turn the screw until all play is taken out, back it out about a half turn and lock the nut.
In pic 19240 we can just see the slot for adjusting the clearance. With an extra spiral gear trying to pull the cam forward, I can see where that was a good addition. The makers were looking ahead or someone had cam thrust issues.
I also wonder if the makers gave extra gaskets as shims for the pan surface to get the mag drive centered to the cam vertically?
What’s left of the mag drive is almost like an early IC100 from American Bosch but it isn’t either.
Here’s what perplexes me: I looked and looked at that pan... Bingo, it’s missing the “snout” for the front pivot!
Wait a second: Where are the rear mounts?
Beat, is that an EE crank? The ‘28 here has one so I ask.
Thank you! Very much enjoying this!