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The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:44 am

We did a 1400 mile, 26hr turn & burn on the retrieval to my new to me 1926 TT. We aptly named it the Time Machine. The condition of the cab is nothing short of amazing! The previous owner scuff sanded and cleared the lower panel behind the drivers door and with that exception the paint is 100% Henry Ford original! Not a single bit of rust other than minute surface “peppers” everywhere. Single most solid antique truck cab that I have ever seen. The fit of the doors and how they well open/close is amazing. I feel blessed to have become the current caretaker of this vehicle.
I have to move some new snow this morning but will then spend the rest of today assessing and generating the start of the “to-do” list for the Time Machine.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Lil Teezy » Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:04 am

Wow- Love that metal truck cab! Better condition than both 29 cabs I have. Can you get a plow on it and get it into the routine?


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:39 pm

I'd think a really tight, original TT like that one is a very rare bird.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by George House » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:17 pm

Yes !! Congratulations on the TT score. Really nice bones for a lotta fun some day. Sorry but I sold a TT enclosed cab windshield last year. But, do you need a rear window frame ?
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Dallas Landers » Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:16 pm

Mike, you made a mistake !!! You really dont want that TT. Its missing the bed and has dirt all over it. Looks like it needs some work done on it. Say the word and I will come haul that hulk off to my place. 😁


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:00 pm

As I slowly go thru over a dozen boxes of TT “stuff” that came with the Time Machine, I find more and more goodies….
I am guessing that the trim looking pieces are door window related. Anyone know? All parts bear the same excellent patina of the cab. It looks like the bottom door window pc is a repop. One of the door windows has the original.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:20 pm

Here is a pic of the box of tools that came with. It sure is a cool handpump.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by George House » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:24 pm

Oh good ! You have the 2 windshields and rear window frame 😜
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Barteldes » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:29 pm

What a Beauty! Happy for you .. Watch out for Morlocks..
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:51 pm

If anyone has an original, I would love to see some closeups of the windscreen mounting screws and pivot hardware. The inner door panel screws as well. Looks like the previous owner disassembled any loose pcs for a possible cab repaint. Thank God he didn't! Anyway no loose hardware in any of the boxes.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:55 pm

I spoke too soon and Bless their hearts! I found these in the side “pouches” of the cab! Its like Christmas.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:55 pm

No vacancy.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:59 pm

A couple nice details. The door stop and foot throttle.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by George House » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:16 pm

Hoo Boy ! You have a Warford. They’re both wonderful and dangerous. Low is great for parades. O/D might get you to 30 MPH BUT, if you get stuck in neutral, just aim it for something inexpensive.... you’ll have no service brakes. Develop a technique in shifting.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:18 pm

George, Its a Twin-High Hi-Lo
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by John kuehn » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:47 pm

Wow! Your newest TT must have been kept out of the weather for many years. It would have had to been. It’s been used but never abused by the looks of it. Unless the previous owner did some work on it I have to say it’s in really good shape and not banged up from use. Nice find!


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Dallas Landers » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:26 am

What a great find. Cant wait to see progress on both TT trucks.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Duey_C » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:11 am

It's been joked before that it'll "buff right out" but that beautiful original truck really will. Gosh that's nice.
And tires that hold air.
Very, very cool.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:08 pm

With my hip hurting so bad, I cant do much, but I did manage a small test today. The pics show the results of a 75% Boiled Linseed oil 25% mineral spirits mixture rubbed in with a clean rag to preserve patina and give some weatherproofing. The door not done for comparison. I like it.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:08 am

That looks great Mike!

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Kaiser » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:17 am

Nice truck Mike ! You probably know this, but a word of caution about the rags used with linseed oil..
After using these rags hang them OUTSIDE for drying, rags with linseedoil can self- combust so don't throw them in a bin inside your workshop !
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:16 am

Leo,
I had forgotten that! Thanx for the reminder.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by YellowTRacer » Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:24 pm

Best original condition closed cab I've ever seen. Congratulations!

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:56 pm

Thanx Ed! I stumbled onto the Facebook ad less than one hour after it had been posted. I immediately called on it. On a strong hunch and lots of nice pics, I bought it sight unseen on that call. Ive bought several tractors the same way…..some horribly misrepresented after getting them home. This is one of the first things in a long time that just keeps getting better and better every day. In every respect, it is my longtime “dream truck”.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:07 pm

Here are the pics that pushed me over the edge. When I saw the Twin-High Hi-Lo transmission my jaw dropped. The previous owners of both my TT’s with Twin-High’s were not “T” guys and were clueless on those transmissions. They never mentioned the auxiliary tranny in either dealings or the pick-up. I feel like I won the lottery!
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by micshotrodgarage » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:48 pm

Congrats Mike on this wonderful TT. What type of bed were you planning on for it? Be great if you can find a real nice express.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:11 pm

I found an original TT stake bed locally that I hope I can buy and rebuild this spring. Its under 4ft of snow right now. The Ford iron is all there and its on a TT frame. This truck will be my 3 season daily driver so it needs to be able to transport my quad. Funny part is, the quad would get me there much faster. Here are a few more pics of the almost unbelievable condition of this TT cab. I believe the black wood top bows are original. The screws and nuts are untouched!
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:15 pm

A couple more….
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by John kuehn » Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:47 pm

Really nice survivor! I think I already mentioned that this TT didn’t get stored outside and that’s the main reason it’s survived like it has!

Some time not too long ago the tires were replaced so that’s a plus. So it must been driven or wanted to be also


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:45 pm

Mike, does that meen we have to wait till july when the snow melts to see the bed?😁


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:49 pm

Two years ago, I had the last vestige of snow disappear on June 1st. It was shaded by a dense Hemlock thicket.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:10 pm

Its a BEAUTIFUL day to work on a T! We are a whopping 40deg, which is short sleeve for me. I thought I would post a few pics of the progress on the clean-up for the Time Machine. Though there is not a shred of evidence showing anywhere on the exterior, the interior of the cab itself looks like it was painted green. Kind of an olive green. The doors and all the panels remain black. I installed a New Day timer with a new commutator wiring harness today. I also rebuilt the coil box with the UHMW waterproof kit. Other than having to drill several holes for the wood screws, I thought it was a very well thought out kit. Next, Ill attack the fuel system. With luck, late next week, I will start it. It has excellent compression on all four. I was happy to feel that.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:14 pm

A few more detail pics.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:20 pm

Thanks for posting that, Mike. A "BEAUTIFUL day" is most welcome this time of year. The photo of the Green is delightful. There is something about old paint that drives me crazy and you can't replicate it with new.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:27 pm

Thanx Rich. Until I wiped panels down with the BLO, they just looked a lightly rusted faded black. The linseed oil really made the color pop! I have now applied BLO to the the entire cab, inside and out. I couldn't be more pleased with the results.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:30 pm

I don't see any black under the green, or vice-versa. It looks factory to me. Maybe Ford was short on black and had plenty of engine paint on hand. Or maybe it was a fleet truck, painted to order.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Duey_C » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:54 pm

What a gorgeous truck! Thanks Mike!
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by John kuehn » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:33 pm

Its looking really nice cleaned up! The linseed oil makes it stand out. It’s your truck of course but leaving as it is would be great in my book. It’s only as it really is once and repainting it you would lose that perspective. It has to be one of the best examples of a real survivor TT.
Was there any history about the truck from the seller? How it was used and purpose for it? Any evidence on the outside body of a company logo or? From the looks of it there wasn’t any signs or remnants of a logo or anything else.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:02 am

John, I will never paint this truck! It would be a sin. I collected and restored John Deere Two Cylinders for 30 years. Later on, as original condition and patina tractors became far and few between, and I started working on ways to preserve the original patina. Original light rust removal was done with the finest scotchbrite and WD-40. It was unbelievable how well that made old paint “pop”. I then stumbled onto the mineral spirits/boiled linseed oil as a final weatherproofer.

Unfortunately, I did not get to meet the previous owner to get details on the history of the truck. His farmhand knew nothing and just aided in the sale. As I picked it up near Omaha, I suspect the truck lived a good part(if not all) of its life in Nebraska. Guessing it spent the last 70 years in a nicely covered and well hidden machine shed. No evidence anywhere of a logo or commercial use.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Tadpole » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:48 am

Thanks a lot, now I have to clean drool off my keyboard...


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:34 pm

Ive gotten a lot done in the last week. All new wiring harnesses, radiator and cowl chafe welting, new radiator mounting bolt kit, new upper and lower radiator hoses and clamps, new exhaust and muffler, New Day timer, gas tank install and sediment bulb rebuild, new ammeter and just tidying things up. Today, I removed the vaporizer and manifolds and installed regular manifolds to use my rebuilt and road tested NH. Though my late ‘26 block has the hole through the valve galley for the carb linkage, I mounted one of the adapters to use the overhead linkage with the NH carb. It took a bit of fiddling with the control rod to get the right height, bends and freedom of movement throughout the full range. Very happy with the results. Ive nearly run out of items on my pre start to-do list and hope to try for a first start tomorrow!
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Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:50 pm

It's nice to follow someone who has a grasp of the obvious and the foresight to pre-remedy weak points of an old auto which has laid up for decades.

Now, I am waiting to hear how the car "misses" a little with a corresponding bit of excitement with the hand controls :lol: :lol: :lol:

It sure seems like the bell crank could be a bit close to #3 plug !!!
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:30 pm

Scott,
In its factory configuration, the throttle rod was way too close to the top of the plug. I bent it with the high point of the bend over the plug. It clears by just over an inch now. Ive seen way too many engines ruined or seriously disabled by folks too anxious to “ see if it runs”. A pet peeve of mine is people freeing up a stuck engine with brute force and then running or attempting to run it and thereby sealing its fate as a junk engine. I hope I don't have to eat crow pie on this engine, its one of the first that I have not done at least a partial teardown to assess condition. The fact that I can feel compression on all four leads me to think its in good shape internally. Tappets were all fairly tight in their respective bores as I hand cranked it through to verify valve clearance on each valve. Tomorrows agenda is taking a quick look inside the transmission and adjusting bands.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:41 pm

Having started quite a few derelicts and generally had good success, the only thing I'd suggest is that you hand crank multiple times and let sit overnight to allow oil to run down into the bearings. After it starts (and that's a pretty sure thing, I think), I'd only run a short time to satisfy myself that it warrants more attention and then I'd pull the pan and wipe out the entirety of the inside of the engine and refill with fresh oil (again)...would be even better to wipe down the interior FIRST and pre-oil everything before starting.

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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:00 pm

Is there a list of Pre-oil locations? With a flexible spout squirt oil can, I think I can get to the gravity feeds on the mains. I assume you mean flood the rod bearings and rods? I already flooded the valve caps and tappets. Anything else?


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Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:23 pm

pretty much all babbit...rods, mains, cam

that will keep you from "wiping" the babbit on startup and ending up with fuzzy "hair" at the edges of the bearings and resultant little smeared/redeposited blobs of babbit in the bearing
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:54 am

I'm not sure if you've mentioned it already, but if the band linings have not been replaced consider that they might be 60 year-old rotten Scandinavia bands that may be inclined to disintegrate quickly and foul up your engine.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:22 am

Jerry,
I’ll pull the cover and have a look today. All pedals are pretty loose, so I am assuming loose bands as well. The startup will be with the rear axle on jackstands. When I bought the Time Machine, it came with many boxes of new repro parts and a couple hundred pounds of used parts. Going thru the boxes a couple evenings after getting it home was like Christmas! I did find a new set of Kevlar bands for the 26/27’s. I sure hope that I find a transmission in decent shape today. I am hoping to put lots of miles on this machine this spring, summer and fall. Next winter will be a full rebuild of mechanical systems i.e. rear axle, transmission, etc.

I very much appreciate any and all suggestions for pre-start. Im very experienced with engine and mechanicals, but Im starting at ground zero with the T learning curve.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:43 am

FWIW - in my opinion, very few transmissions really need rebuilding to continue to operate. With the exception of replacing triple gear bushings and pins on really bad ones, nearly every other possible "repair" can and often does, result in a noisy transmission which still does all the things it did prior to the repair. These things are ridiculously simple, remarkably rugged, and yet require more knowledge and finesse to fully overhaul than is obvious to even an experienced mechanic. The one thing that is almost mandatory, is that the hog's head get rebuilt so that the pedals go back to actually operating things as they should (and is MANDATORY if you are going to use Kevlar bands in the future).

If you DO get into triple gear bushings, I know that my next ones will be from Dan McEachern using his needle bearings and hardened pins. They've been in use successfully for years now, to rave reviews. Enough time and miles have elapsed to convince me that they are the real deal.
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Re: The Time Machine

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:06 am

How fast would the triple gear bushings be running in a TT in low gear at 5-6 MPH road speed?


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:59 pm

Im happy to report that the transmission and engine internals looked great! I pulled both covers to do a quick inspection of internals today. The safety wire on the clutch adjusting bolts was missing. I adjusted the reverse band only. Triple gears were tight on their pins.
All (4) connecting rods were easily slid fore/aft yet no perceptible play could be felt on any at the half crank position. I cleaned the lint and sludge from the oil pan, pre-oiled the mains and rods and buttoned it back up. A good day in the Northwoods!


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... :) ...
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Post by Allan » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:36 pm

Mike, the only thing I would add is there can be much accumulated sludge/carbon/grit trapped between the two horse shoes into which the bottom cover bolts screw, and the sides of the pan. If you had them out when you did your wipe-out, you are good to go.

When i got my Henrietta back on the road after her 63 year slumber, I drove her on her bands as fitted. They lasted only a few weeks, before I fitted new Kevlar bands. My wipe out of the interior of the pan was done when I had to change no 1 rod through the bottom cover. No amount of fresh oil changes was going to remove the mess.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:01 pm

Mike - the 3 clutch adjustment bolts are really screws or should be and should be individual cotter pins - not safety wire


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:36 pm

She’s a runner! With a little bit of futzing, I had it running very well today….just briefly as the radiator leaks bad at the bottom tank seam. I sure got a thrill switching it over to the mag. It ran smooth as silk as soon as soon I did. Now its just a matter of putting my new radiator in and fine tuning with SuperJon’s help. I mounted my cowl lamps today. I know they are not original but to me, the cowl lamps make a T a T.
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Post by John kuehn » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:52 pm

The outside condition of the paint and body is a good indication the engine is still good too!
Your TT Truck hasn’t been abused in body or engine. It would be very interesting to know just how many miles are on the engine.


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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:54 pm

A looker and a runner. How lucky can you get.👍👍


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:08 pm

Having a TT has been a lifelong dream for me. Having to buy and rebuild on a serious budget makes this one even sweeter. All the Forest Service roads around me are still hibernating under 3ft of packed snow. Its gonna kill me waiting another month and a half to start putting some miles on the Time Machine. At least that gives me time to go thru other systems, brakes, transmission bands, rear axle, fluids, etc.

Yet another EXCELLENT day in the Northwoods!


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:40 pm

I had a minor setback today. After mounting the new Brassworks radiator and filling the system with water, a freeze crack that ran full length of the top of the original head started weeping and wicking out. I pulled what I hoped was a good head out of the pile of “extra iron” that I have accumulated. This head was off the sawmill power unit that I bought this winter. I cleaned the mouse nest out, wire brushed the carbon, and ran a new 14” mill file over the deck surface to flatten any high spots and mounted it on the Time Machine. This time after filling with water and waiting an hour, no leaks or weeps. With each new start, the technique seems to be settling in. I shut it down and after about 10 minutes, I gave it a crank with the switch on MAG. It fired right off and purred for another 5 minutes. Since I had the radiator off, it was a good time to put the new ball bearing fan hub on.

3” of new snow last night. Wolves killed 2 deer within a 1/2 mile of the cabin last night. The howling from a “kill frenzy” must make any mammal within earshot shudder with fear Woke me out of a dead sleep being so close last night.
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Post by John kuehn » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:50 pm

Good deal on having an extra head! Just speculating but that could have been the reason your TT truck was parked way back when it was in use. Good to see the progress. I’m sure you added a little anti freeze too.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:59 pm

John,
I tend to agree. The patina and general condition of the head matches the block perfectly. The head bolts had not been out in decades and the copper head gasket was a Victor 101. Its a safe bet to say that crack is what put this truck into long term storage back in the day. When I first saw the crack several weeks ago, I comforted myself into saying it was a pattern flaw manifesting itself in the finished casting. It truly did not look like a conventional crack. The raw cast iron probably rust fused itself pretty quickly and besides I was in full denial :roll: After having done so many tractor restorations, nothing really surprises me anymore and one of the reasons I look so closely at the individual systems before a startup or drive. I don't waste antifreeze until the system is proven leak-free. I heat my shop to low 50’s. I wish I could post a short video of it purring contentedly in its new glory. Another great day……inside anyway!

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by JTT3 » Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:25 pm

Mike you could save the original head if you wanted to. Stop drill it both ends, v the crack and use some marine tex or if you’d like JB weld. It may actually hold for you. I know now you can find a good head fairly cheap but there was a time that it was tuff hoeing and you did what you had to do to get by. Love the updates. Best John


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:07 pm

We hit 40 deg today, so I had to take the TT for its initial spin around the drive and thats exactly what I did….spin and spin and spin and spin some more. Its gonna be a long wait unless I come up with some chains. It was fun anyway and it sure is running well.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:38 pm

...fun!...
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:26 pm

Wrap some rope on those rear wheels Mike and go anywhere. Great to hear your driving it so soon.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Allan » Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:51 pm

Mike, I noticed the green manifold gaskets. These are not a good idea, if they are fitted without gland rings. The gland rings are needed to keep the exhaust manifold from warping

If it is a fitting demanded by using a previously bent manifold it might be considered a temporary fix. Repeated heat cycles will allow the warpng process to continue, as the only clamping force is that provided by the four manifold nuts

A new exhaust manifold, and some full circle tubular gland rings are the best option, but I can understand any reluctance to fit an obviously new part on such a car. In the longer term a straightened, original manifold may be the better route to go.

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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:51 pm

Good eye Allan! I have 5 of the 6 glands in. One of the center exhaust ports on the manifold is off 1/16” along the axis of the ports. I think it is a machining error on that manifold. Its mis-location has nothing to do with warp. I will grind a bevel/leade in the exhaust manifold on the offending port and put in copper rings with new glands when I have help to line up everything. Its a 4- hand job and I gave up trying alone.


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Post by Allan » Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:42 am

Mike, that is an easy fix. I make staggered gland rings to fit slightly bent manifolds. If you cut two rings from suitable sized exhaust piping, and put one on top of the other with one offset the 1/16" you need, weld them together on the inside you will have a custom gland which will allow for the offset needed.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by YellowTRacer » Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:30 pm

What a great idea Allan. Never thought of that one, and it keeps the manifold from further warping. Win Win!

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by BUSHMIKE » Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:17 am

Yet another challenge on the Time Machine…..
After sitting several days with water in the system, I see that I have a cracked block in the “normal” spot. What a darn shame, its such a nice running engine. It seems such overkill to pull the engine to repair the crack.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:45 am

Well, that's a darn shame! You were on a roll, too. If I recall, this also had a split head from freezing? That part of the block is also a week point after years of erosion, too. For what it is, until you want to tackle it (or not) just smear some ultra black RTV over it and forget about it. If it is indeed repairable mechanically and financially, you're doing no harm patching it up for the short run. I'm not a fan of that sort of fix, but I am also pragmatic enough to know that there's no point pulling an engine multiple times for multiple problems when nothing so far is fatal and you're not planning on driving cross-country in the thing this summer . Keep having fun with the thing.

And then maybe (everyone) consider not sacrificing the rest of the block to H2O and run coolant - that damage was roots from years ago and was 100% avoidable - whether it was from rust-out or freezing.

This should be a good lesson to all who STILL insist on running water in their car or truck...Henry supplied about 90 years worth of sacrificial iron in his blocks and it's now finally used up. Too late for this block, but for others, it's time to accept that fact and use coolant (particularly in later blocks with known thin spots).
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Post by John kuehn » Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:58 am

JB WELD to the rescue. And yes we know the best way is to get another block. But JB weld can repair that and will last a long time. If it were mine I’d clean up the area and use it. Get some running time with that engine and be looking for another block. You be pleasantly surprised how good the repair can be if it’s done right.
Others will have other opinions for sure. Over the years other types of block repair epoxy have been developed too.
Welding with a nickel rod and etc works well too.
What it comes down to is having a good running engine that has a block repair at the present.

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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:04 am

My '21 Roadster will weep like that every once in a while. If I leave it alone, it'll seal itself up for a long while. It never makes a puddle, so I leave it at that. Since you're temporarily only using water, it may rust the crack shut again. I'd leave it alone for a while and see what develops.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:48 am

I drained the water this morning. I too wonder if it will rust shut. I will clean that area down to clean iron and do the JB thing for now. I just want to enjoy driving it this summer while amassing a list of “need to fix” items tended too during the long winters. I am guessing that the “JB for Metal” might handle the expansion/contraction cycles better? I see some folks drill a series of holes along the crack to allow a better anchor for the JB. Thoughts appreciated.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:24 am

I wouldn't drill any holes. Maybe lightly heat the area with a propane torch or heat gun, just to dry up any remaining water. Then, work the JB into the crack with your thumb. Getting the JB on your thumb, then pushing it against the crack while sliding your thumb perpendicular to the crack, will force it in. doing this repeatedly should fill it nicely.

P.S. Don't use the 5 minute JB Weld. Give yourself some working time. Besides the 5 min. stuff is not as strong as the long cure variety.


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Re: The Time Machine

Post by speedytinc » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:35 am

I would not drill any holes, lest they might interfere with a future permanent type fix & not necessary.

I have been very successful using a shop vac to seal oil leaks, not block cracks, but I think the same method could be used with greater success than without.
I figure you would have the inlet fitting removed for best access. Plug the radiator overflow tube & lower outlet. With the crack well cleaned, apply sealant. Let it get sucked into the crack. JB weld will turn to a water consistency with heat. Use a heat gun or hair dryer. Let the thin JB coat & suck into the crack.(first coat) Multiple coats until sealed.

A friend has had excellent results using ultra black silicone. A .010 brass shim piece was formed to cover the crack. In this case it was on the radius-ed edge. This "temporary" fix has been in "Montana" service for 20 years.

Water jacket leaks used to make me real nervous. Since seeing the longevity of a good patches, I dont sweat it any more.
I have no problem running such a motor with normal use expectations.

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Post by JTT3 » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:39 am

Mike Marine Tex has been used for decades to repair cracks in machinery that said I have used JBW also however I would consider stop drilling, something that has been done for decades in the aircraft world as far as skin areas. It may help prevent progression of the crack and using a hand held media blaster to really clean the area up before repair. The other thing & I’m not sure if it’s still made was a product call water glass, at least I think that was the name. Several folks I know have used it with satisfactory results and the use of its effect is reversible I believe. Just a few options.


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:42 am

People used to widen a crack slightly, then force annealed copper wire into the crack by tapping it in with a small hammer and perhaps a center punch or small chisel. Dead-soft aluminum wire might work better since it would probably corrode and form a weld-tight joint. A substance called "litherige" (sp?) was also widely used. High-lead solid-core solder wire might also work. I used to hear old mechanics talk of "Smooth On",, and water glass. Sal Amoniac was used to "rust up" cracks, perhaps after packing the crack with iron filings or powdered iron.


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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:05 pm

I can send a couple gallons of water from my well Mike. Its orange and weighs about 9lbs per gallon. The JB teporary fix may be long term. Has worked for many people. Hope so, I want to see more pics on the back roads of the U.P.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:12 am

Thank you all for the great tips and suggestions. For now I will clean it up and try to make a nice JB patch. Trying to decide if my hip feels good enough to go dig out a TT stake bed under 3ft of heavy snow so I can bet a better look at it.


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:36 am

Three feet of snow? In April? No problem! Just start the T and let it idle for a few minutes, and the CO2 Spew should have you up around 85 F inside of an hour.

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Post by JTT3 » Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:53 am

Dallas I laughed at the well water, had a friend call & said his newly surfaced head was weeping on the right rear corner, the advice was drain the coolant and run straight water in & drive a few days then let it sit. Sure enough 3 days later weeping stopped & he drain the water. Replaced with premixed coolant. That’s been months & months of hard driving and still no weeping. Sometimes it’s the William of Ockham approach that reins supreme.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:18 pm

My JB patches are working great. Temps hit 76 degrees today. I just had to pull out the Time Machine, pull up a chair and pull open a Widowmaker! 76 deg, brilliant sun, 3 ft of snow, lots of Widowmaker and NO blackfly’s…..life is good.
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:37 pm

One done and one to go. I had to buy (2) sets of narrow chains to lengthen one set long enough for the TT rears. I hope to be blazing “first one on this road this season” trails later this week! Forward and backwards in a 40’ straight line in my drive lost its excitement quickly. I live in the middle of and have access to hundreds of miles of Forest Service two tracks. 6” of new heavy wet snow here last night.
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:17 pm

Another good day in the Northwoods. I was able to retrieve the TT stake bed.
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Post by Model T Mark » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:32 pm

I have had good luck v-ing it out slightly and get it clean. Use 50/50 solder and a good flux. Solder it using an iron not a torch. It’s not under pressure and will last a long time till you decided to have it welded or stitched. Sorry if I spelled anything i correctly I’m getting used to new glasses.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Tue May 02, 2023 6:04 pm

With all the new snow, Im stuck here for a while. Ive been putting in a lot of time on the TT. Today I finished the slat roof in prep for the replacement top. The underside of the 1/4” basswood slats were prepainted flat black and although not “correct” look like they came with the truck. They match the black bows almost perfectly. I milled 5/4 white ash planks last week and have them just sitting on the bed for looks. The big surprise of the week was finding out the Time Machine has a high speed rear axle! I also sorted out the shift pattern for the Twin-High Hi-Lo and adjusted the shift linkages to where they should be. The Forest Service roads had just lost their winter snow last week and were almost dry enough to make some short excursions. This last storm will set that back a couple weeks.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Tue May 02, 2023 8:26 pm

Lookin good Mike.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed May 03, 2023 10:34 am

This morning I varnished the top wood to prevent future mildew or decay. Next is padding and top material.
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed May 03, 2023 12:06 pm

The padding and a look at the roof slats from the inside. Since this is intended to be a work buggy, I wanted some extra strength in the roof for both snow load and to resist branch punctures when out in the bush.
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Wed May 03, 2023 1:38 pm

Henry gets a new hat for spring…..
It hit 50deg today with direct hot sun so I put the vinyl roof on.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed May 03, 2023 1:55 pm

That will keep your hair dry ! Looks great to.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri May 26, 2023 9:38 am

I finished up the stakebed using 1 1/4” white ash and have been driving the Time Machine quite a bit. I have a couple 15 mile round trips. Last evening I took a ride with my GPS and with the truck in Hi-Hi easily hit 32mph at about half throttle on a level blacktop Forest Highway. I now continue to work on endless little details. Today I will try to fit up a reproduction IMCO air cleaner for the dusty forest roads.
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Post by BUSHMIKE » Fri May 26, 2023 7:43 pm

I had our local Model T wizard make me a copy of an accessory IMCO air cleaner. It is also the carb heat. It works splendid! Ive got nearly 50 miles on the TT for shakedown runs. Hope to do a 40 miler tomorrow.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri May 26, 2023 8:04 pm

Looks great. The air cleaner is an excellent idea.


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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:48 pm

400 mile update…..
With close to 400 miles of Forest Service roads now on the TT, here is my update.

I have never driven anything as fun or satisfying as this TT! Its an instant hit anywhere I take it. After getting used to the constant efficiency dance on the spark and throttle levers, I am amazed at the lugging power on lengthy grades. 95% of my driving is on graded gravel Forest Service roads and a few miles of paved FS highway. I am learning that driving the TT is ALL about observing whats coming up ahead and then adjusting to match well ahead of time. The Time Machine has a high speed rear end and of course the Twin High Hi-Lo rear mounted auxiliary transmission. On level asphalt I can quite easily hit 35mph with the aux in Hi. My best speed yet was very smooth 40.2mph per my handheld GPS. The auxiliary transmission is well suited to my road conditions. Bumpy or small numerous hilly conditions are best met in Ford hi with the aux in Lo, which gives 10-12mph at high idle(25% throttle) and a very comfortable ride. 90% of the time I just have the aux in straight thru and use Ford Hi and the truck very easily handles 15-18mph at high idle on the gravel roads. This is a nice comfortable speed on these somewhat narrow gravel roads. With Ford Hi and about 1/2 throttle, I am seeing a consistent 25-27mph on the tar roads. I have to share these gravel FS roads with a lot of SxS and ATV traffic. They are almost always going faster than I would like and long blind curves always scare me. I did my longest ride yet today, about 40 miles. The truck performed flawlessly. BushMike


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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:34 am

Good to hear you are driving and enjoying tht TT Mike. Life in the slow lane can be alot of fun.

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Post by A Whiteman » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:46 pm

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Post by BUSHMIKE » Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:27 am

I was asked to drive the TT in a semi-local 4th of July parade yesterday. That round trip and another for pizza and ice cream gave me a total of nearly 85 miles yesterday. The truck performed flawlessly. I had a couple mile long slight downhill grade on Forest Highway 16(paved) that gave me a max of 43.8. I was very happy with how well it handled at sustained speeds of 30-35mph. To avoid a looong uphill grade on the highway, I took a shortcut on the ATV trail. I had not been on that section of trail but assumed it was part of the old railroad grade….I was wrong. I rounded a narrow downhill corner that ended up in a steep descent to a bridge and then a steep climb up the other side. I was committed as there was no room to turn around or back up. At the bottom, I shifted into low-low and putted right up the hill. At the top was a bunch of ATV’s who were all cheering and giving me thumbs-up. Ill bet I was a hell of a surprise to them! It sure was a fun day!
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