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I can barely imagine the despair and desperation that accompanied that first photo...and I thank God that I can only barely...
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I had to google the “DUMP GIRLS” thing….all I could find in 20’s slang that seemed appropriate was roadhouse or club girls. Darn, maybe the TT will have to say……DUMP GIRLS ONLY!
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I'm sure you're right, that slang is lost to history, but I'm reminded of a burger joint drive-in called "Humpty's Dump" that was popular with kids "dragging main" in the '60s. Pretty sure it's the same point of reference. Fun stuff !
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Notice the disk wheels in the second picture. I wonder what kind they were?
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Check out the dome light in the Dump Girls car.
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Several wonderful photos that caught my eye!
One of the first was the ninth photo with a service station and accessories dealer behind the two Ts. What caught my eye was the "scarab/pyramid" "Ford" logo painted on the face of the building above the cars. Ford officially used that logo for only a short time during the brass era, however, it unofficially hung around for quite a bit longer. So seeing it prominently displayed in an apparent 1920s photo was very much interesting. The immediate question became how well into the 1920s was it? At quick glance, the slanted windshield and two man top would indicate 1923 or later. But some questions caught my attention also, so I looked closer. And there in the signage, was the answer. "Carstairs Alta" is a small town a bit North of Calgary Alberta Canada! The Ts are Canadian models. The Canadian tourers got the two man tops and slanted windshields nearly three years earlier than did the USA built model Ts! So that "touring car" could be as early as a 1920!
In another recent thread discussing an old era photo, "ALTA" on a license plate was said to be the abbreviation for "Alberta" Canada.
Regardless, a wonderful photo!
The one showing a center-door sedan being pulled up ramps to an upper floor in a fancy ballroom? Details escape my memory at the moment. However, it was for an auto show, and the car was to be displayed on the mezzanine/upper floor. I seem to recall that the automobile show was not one of the big ones back East, however I seem to recall Washington? Hopefully someone with a better memory than mine can dig up the details?
Several nice brass era Ts in this group of photos!
One of the first was the ninth photo with a service station and accessories dealer behind the two Ts. What caught my eye was the "scarab/pyramid" "Ford" logo painted on the face of the building above the cars. Ford officially used that logo for only a short time during the brass era, however, it unofficially hung around for quite a bit longer. So seeing it prominently displayed in an apparent 1920s photo was very much interesting. The immediate question became how well into the 1920s was it? At quick glance, the slanted windshield and two man top would indicate 1923 or later. But some questions caught my attention also, so I looked closer. And there in the signage, was the answer. "Carstairs Alta" is a small town a bit North of Calgary Alberta Canada! The Ts are Canadian models. The Canadian tourers got the two man tops and slanted windshields nearly three years earlier than did the USA built model Ts! So that "touring car" could be as early as a 1920!
In another recent thread discussing an old era photo, "ALTA" on a license plate was said to be the abbreviation for "Alberta" Canada.
Regardless, a wonderful photo!
The one showing a center-door sedan being pulled up ramps to an upper floor in a fancy ballroom? Details escape my memory at the moment. However, it was for an auto show, and the car was to be displayed on the mezzanine/upper floor. I seem to recall that the automobile show was not one of the big ones back East, however I seem to recall Washington? Hopefully someone with a better memory than mine can dig up the details?
Several nice brass era Ts in this group of photos!
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Wayne, if my memory serves me correctly, the sedan was in a very fancy hotel in Spokane, Wa. We visited that establishment on one of our trips to Spokane. I do not remember the event that was being staged which prompted the exercise, but there were similar photos on display in the premises.
Perhaps Burger can helps us out.
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Perhaps Burger can helps us out.
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That 13th picture looks scary! Somehow it made it up the steepest part of the ramp. it is being pulled by a rope or cable and two men behind it and people inside. If something slipped or broke they might be killed as well as the people in the lobby behind it.
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Allan B, That fits what I seem to recall myself. I wish I was better at organizing bookmarks and research materials. I know there was a discussion about the event at some time a few years ago. Several good people on this forum live near that area. Perhaps one can read this and fill in some details?
I marvel at that photo every time I see it! Poorly supported ramps, crowds hanging around it. What could possibly go wrong? Apparently all worked out fine however.
I marvel at that photo every time I see it! Poorly supported ramps, crowds hanging around it. What could possibly go wrong? Apparently all worked out fine however.
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On the dump girls photo, I see a wood fellow wheel and no tire possibly positioned where a spare tire would mount. Also that light bulb and cord are more like a 110 volt unit. Did they make that type of bulb for 6 volt?
To me it looks like the top is too tall for a car but it may just be my eyes. Could it be a staged photo?
To me it looks like the top is too tall for a car but it may just be my eyes. Could it be a staged photo?
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Wayne, it was the Davenport Hotel. I checked out Historic hotels in Spokane, and it came up first. I cannot recall the occasion for the event. A bundle of money has been spent restoring the hotel and bringing it up to current standards. I do remember the fine meal we had there.
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Correct. It was a large car show that filled the two floors of "common
area" in the Davenport hotel.
area" in the Davenport hotel.
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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Thank you Allen and Brent B! I love it when our forum brings things together.
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Photo number ten, the early T touring car with four people on board, looks to be one of those transitional 1909/'10s that drive people crazy.
The running board to me looks to be a stamped steel one, not the linoleum covered wood like the 1909 used. While zoomed in to look at the running board, I also tried to look at the front body bracket. Cannot see it very well as it it just peeking out from behind the spare tire. However, it does appear to be the early two bolt bracket. Roadsters used that two bolt bracket well into 1910 model year, however, consensus of opinion seems to be that touring cars switched to the larger later bracket late in calendar 1909.
The radiator shell doesn't show very well given the angle of the photo, however it looks to me to be one of the several unusual early radiators installed by Ford in 1909. The radiator companies were having trouble keeping up with Ford's demand and rapid production, resulting in some unusual radiators during that first year plus. The shell on the radiator doesn't look quite right, and I would suspect it may be one of the unusual radiators with a removeable shell. However, I could be wrong about that?
The front fenders have no bills, and look a bit squared off on the front. However, I do not believe they are the really early version used during the first several months of production. Bills on the front fenders seem to come and go during 1909.
The rear fenders are somewhat revealing. The butterfly brackets are under/inside the fenders! A truly 1909 feature!
If this car still exists today, as it sits in the photo, people today would probably argue forever whether it should be called a 1909 or a 1910?
The running board to me looks to be a stamped steel one, not the linoleum covered wood like the 1909 used. While zoomed in to look at the running board, I also tried to look at the front body bracket. Cannot see it very well as it it just peeking out from behind the spare tire. However, it does appear to be the early two bolt bracket. Roadsters used that two bolt bracket well into 1910 model year, however, consensus of opinion seems to be that touring cars switched to the larger later bracket late in calendar 1909.
The radiator shell doesn't show very well given the angle of the photo, however it looks to me to be one of the several unusual early radiators installed by Ford in 1909. The radiator companies were having trouble keeping up with Ford's demand and rapid production, resulting in some unusual radiators during that first year plus. The shell on the radiator doesn't look quite right, and I would suspect it may be one of the unusual radiators with a removeable shell. However, I could be wrong about that?
The front fenders have no bills, and look a bit squared off on the front. However, I do not believe they are the really early version used during the first several months of production. Bills on the front fenders seem to come and go during 1909.
The rear fenders are somewhat revealing. The butterfly brackets are under/inside the fenders! A truly 1909 feature!
If this car still exists today, as it sits in the photo, people today would probably argue forever whether it should be called a 1909 or a 1910?
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In Bloomington Indiana, until the early to mid 1990’s, the Ford dealership was in the same building from the model T era and it had high ceilings and a steep car ramp to the second floor. The ramp went up along the south wall, and had the winch that was used to pull the cars up it to get to the service area. I think there was a second, probably newer ramp, outside. The service area was still on the second floor until the end. The building is still there on South Collage, and is now the city convention center with a new hotel attached. I don’t know if the ramp survived the renovation.
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Regarding the light bulb in the Dump Girl car, it could be intended for 110 or one of several other voltages. Small DC home or farm power plants were widely used in rural areas, and these operated at various voltages in conjuntion with battery banks of various sizes Wind power or small gasoline engines powered them. I think bulbs were availble in various voltages to accommodate these systems, and bulbs could be connected in series or paralell or combinations thereof to suit individual situations. In the late 1920 and early 1930s, "DelcoLite" plants were in wide use, among other brands. I believe that small motors and some appliances were availble to operate off these systems, which were 30 volt DC or thereabouts.
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I did some digging on "Delco Light" plants over the years. They were available in many different DC voltages. I thought they might be collectible, as you see them quite often at old farm sales. But I found out they usually bring only about $50 or so, and they can't even be fired up to generate unless they are connected to a battery bank. I was told that if you fire them up without a battery bank to accept the output, you can burn out the generator portion of the light plant. Since no one today typically has the battery set to go with them, they are pretty much ignored by the early engine guys, although I am sure there is someone who has one fully restored and completely functional. I had considered making the effort, but setting up the complete system would be pretty expensive. I was tempted to do it with an inoperative generator and dummy batteries, but there isn't much point to that, similar to putting an electric motor in a Model T. (Why would you bother?)
But they ARE interesting.
But they ARE interesting.
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I think any kind of load would be OK to keep the Delco generator from running away. In normal service, the generator would run from time to time to charge the batteries or carry a load, or both. A string of incandescent light bulbs or a DC motor or 2 or 3 cheap 120 v electric heaters in a parallel setup would probably do for a load. A battery might be needed to provide field current to start the generator,
but in that case, 12 volt auto battery would probably be sufficient. An operator's manual could probably be found online, along with good information on what would be needed to operate the unit. Like everything else from that era, they're getting scarcer every day.
but in that case, 12 volt auto battery would probably be sufficient. An operator's manual could probably be found online, along with good information on what would be needed to operate the unit. Like everything else from that era, they're getting scarcer every day.