What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

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What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by BLB27 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:14 pm

In discussions regarding starter switches, there is mentioned of a "Ford Type" solenoid. Is that a particular solenoid that is preferred when using one in addition to the original floor switch? If so, how do they differ from other solenoids?

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by CudaMan » Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:37 pm

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by TRDxB2 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:10 pm

I believe the reference to a Ford solenoid was to the 3 pole configuration since a distributor lead was not necessary. 4 pole normally unused , but if necessary for a ballast resistor or distributor ignition coil (not really necessary)
There tractor styles look a bit period correct. Note if you read the instructions you carefully you'll see that you don't need to hookup the floor switch at all but can have it in place for appearance sake and hide the push button some where as a ant-theft device
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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by walber » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:42 pm

'56 and earlier Fords are 6 volt, pick your favorite auto parts supplier. The '57 Ford went to 12 volt and added the second small lug which would normally not be used on a T.
No clue how long the tractors stuck with 6 volt.

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by Humblej » Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:46 pm

Personally I have kept the stock Ford model T starting system, no issues, no problems. 100 year reliability is hard to beat.


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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by farmboy » Sat Apr 01, 2023 5:23 pm

Actually in 1956 Ford went to 12 volts negative ground.


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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by Dan Hatch » Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:31 pm

The 49-50 Ford Pickup solenoid has a button on it for a manual override. In case something goes wrong with anything. Dan


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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by John kuehn » Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:23 pm

Go to www.yesterdaystractors.com and look under Ford and you’ll find them. 6 and 12 volt.

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by TRDxB2 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:33 pm

You can bye modern style solenoids 6v or 12v with 3 or 4 poles at any automotive parts outlet. The "Ford" style refers to the 3 pole 6v not really a specific look, but mounting hole positions. https://www.google.com/search?q=6v+star ... V6BQgBENsB
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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by John Illinois » Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:07 am

Early Ford solenoids 30 and 40s were activated by grounding the small terminal . The push button in the dash had one wire and used dash mounting connection as ground. They look like the one that uses battery voltage at small terminal. Be sure you know which type you have.

I use a stock Ford solenoid on my flathead and T. Both are g rounding type.

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by Mark Gregush » Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:00 am

John's is a good answer of what a Ford type is. :) Model A up until the 12 volt systems were positive ground.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by John kuehn » Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:28 am

The majority of the Solenoid's listed on an earlier post have to be ordered from the Auto parts outlets. They are available upon request but they don’t have them in stock.


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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by Original Smith » Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:20 am

I agree with Jeff above. Why change a proven system?


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Re: What is a "Ford Type" Solenoid?

Post by John kuehn » Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:00 pm

Here is some pro and con about changing to 12 volt in old tractors which might apply to any old 6 volt engines. https://antiquetractorblog.com/2008/12/ ... lt-system/

As far as Model T’s are concerned the original set up 6 volt worked for years and still works until you think you can improve upon it but why. To each his own in that dept.

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