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What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:11 am
by dykker5502
After having browsed eBay and this sites classified, it turned out that I could find one to a good price just 10 miles from home. So no need to import from US, shipping and customs fees and what have you.

But taking it apart for renovation, it seems I'm missing some parts and browsing the vendors catalogs I se not many kits for restoring Kingston Y carburators. L, L2 and L4, but not Y. However, reading various forum posts maybe I can use some of the parts for these newer Kingstons?
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What is missing here in the threaded hole?
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The threaded hole to the right?
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Can I use a later float? I do not think this is ethanol proof

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:26 am
by KWTownsend
A bowl drain valve fits into the threaded hole near the gas inlet. The float pictured looks like the correct style, but check that the pivot point is in the right place. It might just be camera angle, but the bowl body looks more elongated than other Kingston 4 ball carburetors.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:02 am
by Mark Gregush
Does this help? Look at page 42; http://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/1914/default.htm

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:48 pm
by dykker5502
Mark Gregush wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:02 am
Does this help? Look at page 42; http://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/1914/default.htm
Mark, thanks, but that link just leads to a page with a lot of 1914 Ford literature. Which ofthe documents do you have in mind?

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:57 pm
by Rich Eagle
Page 42.
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Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:36 am
by dykker5502
Thanks Mark! Very usefull.

I also found this post in the Classified forum with pictures. I draining petcock it is that are missing.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:35 am
by Mark Gregush
Sorry, I thought the link would take you to the parts book I was looking at. Anyway, great source of information on Model Ts. If you click on BACK TO START, it will take you to the main library.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:37 pm
by Corey Walker
Here is how you can make a choke spring from an NH choke spring when you get that far.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:42 pm
by dykker5502
KWTownsend wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:26 am
A bowl drain valve fits into the threaded hole near the gas inlet.
What thread size is it? 1/4" ?? 1/8 pipe?

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:53 pm
by Mark Gregush
1/8 inch pipe thread

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:02 pm
by KWTownsend
Some are 1/16" pipe.
Real itty bitty.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:03 pm
by KWTownsend
Some are 1/16" pipe.
Real itty bitty.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:02 pm
by JTT3
It’d really be a nice find if you could actually locate the drain valve as pictured in the parts photo. Lots of broken ones because people forced them to open. The handle is very petite. Most of the time the needle & seat on the 4 ball leaked like a sieve. I believe Corey Walker does a very nice job in making that problem go away.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:01 pm
by dykker5502
KWTownsend wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:03 pm
Some are 1/16" pipe.
I ordered a 1/8" petcock from Langs and received today - it's to big, so i buy that it's 1/16" pipe thread. Hm. I'll check with the local "pushers" what they have lying around...

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:57 pm
by KWTownsend
Michael-
In the mean time, you could use a 1/8" to 1/16" pipe adapter...

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Here is one that will fit, but not original:

https://www.deboltmachine.com/collectio ... rain-valve
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Keith

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:38 pm
by Mark Anderson
The float looks like one similar to a Linkert Indian/Harley Davidson float. The Float arm is similar to one used on the DX304 carb and also used on the DLTX #3 used on early John Deere model D and also used Hart-Parr tractors.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:47 pm
by dykker5502
I've bought a L2 float of modern material which I believe can be adapted for use in the L4 carburator.

Re: What am I missing here - Kingston Y 4-ball

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:28 pm
by dykker5502
It turns out the 1/16" petcocks seems to be made of unobtanium, so now I have purchased a simple 1/16" NPT plug to just close the hole so I can get the carburator assembled and get the engine started again.