1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
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1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
OK, not really Model T, but sort of.......
The Fawcett group are putting it together now. I'll post pics as it comes together.
The Fawcett group are putting it together now. I'll post pics as it comes together.
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Firewall:
Wheels and hood are painted:
The carburetor adjusting rod and oil pump:
Peter said tomorrow the front axle and wheels go under the frame, and the engine goes in.
Wheels and hood are painted:
The carburetor adjusting rod and oil pump:
Peter said tomorrow the front axle and wheels go under the frame, and the engine goes in.
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Rob, Love all the photos.
What are the bore and stroke?
Bill
What are the bore and stroke?
Bill
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
That motor intrigues me. Its similarity to a regular T motor, yet quite different in interesting ways. I can spot dimensional differences in the pan (lower crankcase), and the spacing between the removable bottom cover is quite interesting. It also appears to be cast aluminum.
Always looking forward to more pictures.
Always looking forward to more pictures.
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Bill, the bore is 4.3125, stroke 5 inches.
Wayne, the motor is similar to the T in many ways, with these differences: pressurized oil to the mains, auxiliary exhaust ports (four holes with slide to close or open on the left side of the block), straight flywheel without magneto, front external magneto drive and magneto pad, waterpump similar to 09 version and aluminum lower crankcase come to mind.
Wayne, the motor is similar to the T in many ways, with these differences: pressurized oil to the mains, auxiliary exhaust ports (four holes with slide to close or open on the left side of the block), straight flywheel without magneto, front external magneto drive and magneto pad, waterpump similar to 09 version and aluminum lower crankcase come to mind.
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Hi Rob, Thanks so much for sharing, I look forward to reading all of your posts. The history that you dig up is amazing. Does this car use same transmission parts as the Model T? Your oil system , reciprocating oil pump? It all looks great! Lincoln is getting closer. I am still waiting for my engine to come back from the machine shop. We will see you there.
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John, it's a plunger type pump. A few more pics came today:
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HOLY CR@P! Dr Frank-N-Stein it looks sweet!
Rob, Just love it!
All the Best,
Hank
Rob, Just love it!
All the Best,
Hank
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The BEAST is a LADY!
Lookin' purty.
Lookin' purty.
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That is really looking nice!
Lean, mean, racing machine!!
Ken P
Lean, mean, racing machine!!
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Thanks guys. Todays update from Canada:
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Rob -- Are these folks the same ones who rebuilt your K?
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How is Julie ever going to keep that car clean?
Love the pictures, Thanks to you and to Peter.
Love the pictures, Thanks to you and to Peter.
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Mike, yes, Peter Fawcett and his group finished the K roadster too. I've been blessed to have many of the foremost Model T people take on my lowly K and racer projects. Dean Yoder, Stan Howe, Mike Bender and many many others have helped put our Fords back on the road.
Dave, Julie has proved her prowess at helping shine brass. Let's see how she does at removing grease and grime from white wire wheels.......
Dave, Julie has proved her prowess at helping shine brass. Let's see how she does at removing grease and grime from white wire wheels.......
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These were my examples when deciding the color:
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Tell Julie I doff my chapeau to she!
Thank you for the continuing photos of progress! That Ford Special is coming up gorgeous!
Thank you for the continuing photos of progress! That Ford Special is coming up gorgeous!
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Wayne, I'll pass you message along.....
Two more pics in today. The pieces are going together quickly:
Two more pics in today. The pieces are going together quickly:
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Rob
I see what looks like extra support rods on your differential that do not appear in the older photos.
I also see your front radius rod is over the axle. Any thought of putting an additional radius rod under
the axle?
I see what looks like extra support rods on your differential that do not appear in the older photos.
I also see your front radius rod is over the axle. Any thought of putting an additional radius rod under
the axle?
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Dave,
The additional truss rods are on the racer at the Henry Ford. The torque tube had the casting for them so Peter made a set based on those at THF.
It looks like the wishbone was attached over the axle on the 1910 racers. The "newer" racer made in 1911 does have the radius rods under the axle, so Ford designers evidently realized attaching under the axle is stronger/safer. I plan to add under axle support at some point.
See you in Lincoln,
Rob
The additional truss rods are on the racer at the Henry Ford. The torque tube had the casting for them so Peter made a set based on those at THF.
It looks like the wishbone was attached over the axle on the 1910 racers. The "newer" racer made in 1911 does have the radius rods under the axle, so Ford designers evidently realized attaching under the axle is stronger/safer. I plan to add under axle support at some point.
See you in Lincoln,
Rob
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Nice build! Does the Fawcett crew ever sleep? Cheers, Bill
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Looks amazing!
I noticed in the second photo, there's a mix of wood spoke and wire wheels on the car... wonder what happened back then?
I noticed in the second photo, there's a mix of wood spoke and wire wheels on the car... wonder what happened back then?
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Bill, they are trying to have the racer ready for the Speedster Reunion in Lincoln in June.
Susanne,
I've noticed one wood wheel on the right front at a couple of different events. The wire wheels were 32x4, and the wood standard 30x3 1/2, so maybe they kept the wood wheel on for the speedometer?
A few more pics with the right front wood spoked wheel. First, at Brighton Beach races in August, 1910:
Closeup:
Also in August, 1910, at the Pennsylvania Point Breeze track:
I believe this is a photo of the Brighton Beach Ford, used for this Detroit Free Press article about the Point Breeze race. The racer has the same license plate, and distinctly shows the spoked right front wheel:
Susanne,
I've noticed one wood wheel on the right front at a couple of different events. The wire wheels were 32x4, and the wood standard 30x3 1/2, so maybe they kept the wood wheel on for the speedometer?
A few more pics with the right front wood spoked wheel. First, at Brighton Beach races in August, 1910:
Closeup:
Also in August, 1910, at the Pennsylvania Point Breeze track:
I believe this is a photo of the Brighton Beach Ford, used for this Detroit Free Press article about the Point Breeze race. The racer has the same license plate, and distinctly shows the spoked right front wheel:
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Very nice project Rob,
I would like if it is possible, having your plan or diagram of your floor. You could send me an email.
kind regards,
Mario
I would like if it is possible, having your plan or diagram of your floor. You could send me an email.
kind regards,
Mario
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