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1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by Rob » Tue May 21, 2019 6:34 pm

OK, not really Model T, but sort of.......

The Fawcett group are putting it together now. I'll post pics as it comes together.
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Post by Rob » Tue May 21, 2019 6:39 pm

Firewall:
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Wheels and hood are painted:
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The carburetor adjusting rod and oil pump:
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Peter said tomorrow the front axle and wheels go under the frame, and the engine goes in.


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Post by Bill Crosby » Tue May 21, 2019 9:25 pm

Rob, Love all the photos.

What are the bore and stroke?

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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Wed May 22, 2019 1:16 am

That motor intrigues me. Its similarity to a regular T motor, yet quite different in interesting ways. I can spot dimensional differences in the pan (lower crankcase), and the spacing between the removable bottom cover is quite interesting. It also appears to be cast aluminum.
Always looking forward to more pictures.

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Post by Rob » Wed May 22, 2019 8:00 am

Bill, the bore is 4.3125, stroke 5 inches.
Wayne, the motor is similar to the T in many ways, with these differences: pressurized oil to the mains, auxiliary exhaust ports (four holes with slide to close or open on the left side of the block), straight flywheel without magneto, front external magneto drive and magneto pad, waterpump similar to 09 version and aluminum lower crankcase come to mind.

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Post by John Warren » Wed May 22, 2019 8:55 am

Hi Rob, Thanks so much for sharing, I look forward to reading all of your posts. The history that you dig up is amazing. Does this car use same transmission parts as the Model T? Your oil system , reciprocating oil pump? It all looks great! Lincoln is getting closer. I am still waiting for my engine to come back from the machine shop. We will see you there.
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Post by Rob » Wed May 22, 2019 8:59 pm

John, it's a plunger type pump. A few more pics came today:
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Post by Henry K. Lee » Wed May 22, 2019 9:27 pm

HOLY CR@P! Dr Frank-N-Stein it looks sweet!

Rob, Just love it!

All the Best,

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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Thu May 23, 2019 1:17 am

The BEAST is a LADY!

Lookin' purty.


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Post by Drkbp » Thu May 23, 2019 4:47 pm

That is really looking nice! 8-)
Lean, mean, racing machine!! :P

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Post by Rob » Thu May 23, 2019 5:35 pm

Thanks guys. Todays update from Canada:
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Post by MWalker » Thu May 23, 2019 8:58 pm

Rob -- Are these folks the same ones who rebuilt your K?


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Post by DHort » Thu May 23, 2019 9:02 pm

How is Julie ever going to keep that car clean?

Love the pictures, Thanks to you and to Peter.

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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by Rob » Fri May 24, 2019 12:18 am

Mike, yes, Peter Fawcett and his group finished the K roadster too. I've been blessed to have many of the foremost Model T people take on my lowly K and racer projects. Dean Yoder, Stan Howe, Mike Bender and many many others have helped put our Fords back on the road.

Dave, Julie has proved her prowess at helping shine brass. Let's see how she does at removing grease and grime from white wire wheels.......

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Post by Rob » Fri May 24, 2019 12:32 am

These were my examples when deciding the color:
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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Fri May 24, 2019 3:10 am

Tell Julie I doff my chapeau to she!

Thank you for the continuing photos of progress! That Ford Special is coming up gorgeous!

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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by Rob » Fri May 24, 2019 2:24 pm

Wayne, I'll pass you message along..... 8-)

Two more pics in today. The pieces are going together quickly:
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by DHort » Fri May 24, 2019 4:56 pm

Rob

I see what looks like extra support rods on your differential that do not appear in the older photos.

I also see your front radius rod is over the axle. Any thought of putting an additional radius rod under
the axle?

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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by Rob » Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Dave,
The additional truss rods are on the racer at the Henry Ford. The torque tube had the casting for them so Peter made a set based on those at THF.

It looks like the wishbone was attached over the axle on the 1910 racers. The "newer" racer made in 1911 does have the radius rods under the axle, so Ford designers evidently realized attaching under the axle is stronger/safer. I plan to add under axle support at some point.

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Post by It's Bill » Sat May 25, 2019 7:11 am

Nice build! Does the Fawcett crew ever sleep? Cheers, Bill

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Post by Susanne » Sat May 25, 2019 9:43 am

Looks amazing!

I noticed in the second photo, there's a mix of wood spoke and wire wheels on the car... wonder what happened back then?

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Post by Rob » Sat May 25, 2019 8:57 pm

Bill, they are trying to have the racer ready for the Speedster Reunion in Lincoln in June.

Susanne,
I've noticed one wood wheel on the right front at a couple of different events. The wire wheels were 32x4, and the wood standard 30x3 1/2, so maybe they kept the wood wheel on for the speedometer?

A few more pics with the right front wood spoked wheel. First, at Brighton Beach races in August, 1910:
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Also in August, 1910, at the Pennsylvania Point Breeze track:
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I believe this is a photo of the Brighton Beach Ford, used for this Detroit Free Press article about the Point Breeze race. The racer has the same license plate, and distinctly shows the spoked right front wheel:
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Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

Post by Quickm007 » Wed May 29, 2019 1:16 pm

Very nice project Rob,

I would like if it is possible, having your plan or diagram of your floor. You could send me an email.


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