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Gents,

I know I should have taken detailed pictures, I should have bagged and meticulously labeled the parts. Don't beat me up too bad please. I have a 14 Touring and am not sure some of the parts go. Hopefully someone can help.

The arm rests are held on with Brass screws with a cup shaped washer
Question 1, What is the proper name for these type washers?

In the picture you will see that some of those washers are shaped differently from the others, I don't know why or where to put each kind. In the picture the Left column is more "cupped" while the the right side is more shall we say "Angled". Question 2, How would you describe the difference (teach me some vocabulary)
Question 3, Where does each kind go?

4 of the screws are painted black,
Question 4, Is this someones way of making do with what they have on hand or do the painted ones belong somewhere specific?

Ben

Ben,

1. We call them cup washers. They vary depending on the manufacturer, not application.
2. They are usually fixed with raised head countersunk nickel plated screws. You blokes call them oval head?
3. I am not sure they belong anywhere on a standard T, but US cars my have them.

Hope this help.
Allan from down under.

early door check straps use that set up.maybe other spots.charley

My 1924 coupe uses nickel plates cup washers to hold the door panels to the wood frame. I’m not sure that’s how Ford built them....

You should be able to use those up on the check straps.

Finish washer, used with an oval head (or French) screw.

A French screw is a brass oval head screw with a polished head. Different size finish washers for different size screws. Ford used some oddball sizes like #5; you can find them on the internet.

I don't know where on an armrest these would have been used.

I don't know where on an armrest these woul have been used.

Their use on check straps is understandable, as they spread the clamping force over a wider area, especially useful on fabric straps. What is not understandable, given Henry's penchant to save a cent or two wherever possible, is why a two piece, plated, brass assembly might be used in place of a steel round head screw.

Allan from down under.

Ben,

Body parts are almost impossible to sort...almost need a real Rip-Van-Twinkle to go side by side.

They are called 'cup' or 'finishing' washers as others have mentioned...

There are no standards as to size and shape that I know of...

They are usually used where an oval head screw is required, but in an over clamping (non-countersunk) trim piece...

As others point out, they spread out the force, provide some cinch where the outer ring clamps, and provide that pocket for the base of an oval screw to hide...

Going thru the parts books, I found this....may or may not help you sort...(I have no idea what a back-stay is)

Finally....Keith said it - twice. I, too, don’t know where a wood screw and cup washer combination would be used on a ‘14 touring armrest. To the best of my limited ability; I restored a ‘14 runabout and never researched an original screw/cup washer unit installation. Saw many a beautiful ‘14 touring and none had this. But if it’s a matter of individual preference, I say ‘Go for it’...