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Just saw this 13 on Hagerty auction site. Looks like a very original survivor. Check out the tires!

https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... re6RBYIyEV

Very interesting, only $500 so far
What kind of “shocks” are on the front axle

Now that is nice, one could even believe that the milage of 3608 is original going by the wear on the pedals.

HiWill,
Those look like W & C shocks, there was a set sold not long ago in the classifieds.
Craig

Tbird wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:20 pm

Just saw this 13 on Hagerty auction site. Looks like a very original survivor. Check out the tires!

https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... re6RBYIyEV

Interesting that it's number is 253749 as my "pet" Clara is 254719! Makes em sisters?

I'd bid on it if it weren't for being on the west coast.

Hagerty takes such great pictures and lots of them. This should be great detail to have for those who need it.
Great car.
Thanks for posting it.
Rich

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:33 am

Tbird wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:20 pm

Just saw this 13 on Hagerty auction site. Looks like a very original survivor. Check out the tires!

https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... re6RBYIyEV

Interesting that it's number is 253749 as my "pet" Clara is 254719! Makes em sisters?

I'd bid on it if it weren't for being on the west coast.

Well, now we got a problem! ha ha... The listing says the engine is 253749, yet the picture of it clearly shows 271836, with a cast date of I think it was 5/5/1913. Not a big deal...I'm just picky is all...ha ha. Just means my Clara is now the "old sister"!

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:21 pm

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:33 am

Tbird wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:20 pm

Just saw this 13 on Hagerty auction site. Looks like a very original survivor. Check out the tires!

https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... re6RBYIyEV

Interesting that it's number is 253749 as my "pet" Clara is 254719! Makes em sisters?

I'd bid on it if it weren't for being on the west coast.

Well, now we got a problem! ha ha... The listing says the engine is 253749, yet the picture of it clearly shows 271836, with a cast date of I think it was 5/5/1913. Not a big deal...I'm just picky is all...ha ha. Just means my Clara is now the "old sister"!

Had to go back and look! (OCD!)....5/12/13 cast date. One of the clearest cast dates on a 111 year old car I've ever seen! The upholstery may very well be original and if the top boot isn't, it's at least correct!

Tim,
It's definitely a neat looking specimen! It will be interesting to see what it sells for. A little over 5 years ago I was at the Auburn auction in IN and there was a 1912 and 14 survivor that sold on Thursday for very little $ If I would have known I would have bid... Oh well
Here's the thread from 2018
https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/8 ... 1536268837

Tbird wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:05 pm

Tim,
It's definitely a neat looking specimen! It will be interesting to see what it sells for. A little over 5 years ago I was at the Auburn auction in IN and there was a 1912 and 14 survivor that sold on Thursday for very little $ If I would have known I would have bid... Oh well
Here's the thread from 2018
https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/8 ... 1536268837

Yeh I can almost guarantee if it were on this side of the Mississippi, it may very well be in my barn. It does look interesting. I don't like those shocks but oh well

What's it worth?

In an auction ? What the successful bidder gives. I can't believe there's no reserve listed.

I'm thinking its greatest value is in being relatively untouched. As a "driver" prospect, it could need "everything", which gets expensive. Then there's the question of whether it should remain as-is, a very appealing thought !

Up to 4,400 now...

He wants it bad! Doubled the previous guys bid! One more day! Man I wish it was this side of the big river! I'd be armwrestling with you over it Mike!

I think it's worth $4,400.

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:48 am

He wants it bad! Doubled the previous guys bid! One more day! Man I wish it was this side of the big river! I'd be armwrestling with you over it Mike!

I'd take you on! However, I'd then have to take on trying to explain this one to my wife....LOL

Anyone notice the pinstriping on the wheels, body, and hood? Anyone know if that is original? Or did the original owner get the car dolled up?

The pinstriping looks too wide to be original. Also too new. Striping is the first to wear off.

Tbird wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:43 pm

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:48 am

He wants it bad! Doubled the previous guys bid! One more day! Man I wish it was this side of the big river! I'd be armwrestling with you over it Mike!

I'd take you on! However, I'd then have to take on trying to explain this one to my wife....LOL

Ha ha do tell! Same here.

Uh oh..we got a dog fight!
Some guy name Mark bumped it to 4600!

Ends today… if you’re on this forum and you win this auction we’d love to hear about your newly acquired T

It's up to 8500 now..that guy "Mark" really wants it! I wonder if it may bye Mark Chaffin?
Be handy for him since he's out in California also.

Someone named Mark just got a neat car for a little over 14700.00

Just went for $13,750 plus the premium taking it to $14,712.50...to that Mark guy. Now we gotta find out WHAT Mark!!

Look at the spring arrangement on this car!
https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... kQJbl8PQQe

tdump wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:19 pm

Look at the spring arrangement on this car!
https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... kQJbl8PQQe

Yeh..some kind of weird-ass shock absorber. If I got that car they'd be gone!

I’ve seen other Premier automobiles, and that round rubber spring bumper is present as well, so I am inclined to think it’s original.

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:21 pm

tdump wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:19 pm

Look at the spring arrangement on this car!
https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... kQJbl8PQQe

Yeh..some kind of weird-ass shock absorber. If I got that car they'd be gone!

On down the line is a pic of the rear springs and best I can tell the 2 springs on the axle are attached to a spring that is paralell to the body like a t so it literally has 3 rear springs.

tdump wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:30 pm

TWrenn wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:21 pm

tdump wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:19 pm

Look at the spring arrangement on this car!
https://www.hagerty.com/marketplace/auc ... kQJbl8PQQe

Yeh..some kind of weird-ass shock absorber. If I got that car they'd be gone!

On down the line is a pic of the rear springs and best I can tell the 2 springs on the axle are attached to a spring that is paralell to the body like a t so it literally has 3 rear springs.

Okay...I missed that one..I'll look later from the computer where it'll be easier. Thanks

Cadillac used that same design on many of their cars in the 1910s. If I recall correctly? It was called something like a "platform" spring/sprung.

Congrats on whoever won the T! If it was someone here on the forum we hope you will share your thoughts and joys of your newly acquired treasure!

So, I purchased the '13. Spent a bit more on it than I really wanted; however, it appears to be a very low mileage original car. I had an opportunity to evaluate this car several months ago and was amazed at the condition. A really nice unmolested time capsule. The odometer stated 3,600 miles and it is likely accurate. No noticeable wear on the Pedals. Pedal cams nice and snug. Very little wear present on the front balls and caps. Very nice original upholstery for being 110 years old. It would be a shame to restore this car as they are only original once. A little cleaning here and there and that is it. We're going to leave her just as she is. Funky accessory shock absorbers and all!

Mark that’s awesome! Congrats to you! The big question is do you plan on driving it?

Mark, Congratulations buddy! You’re the proud new caretaker of this fine piece of history.

Glad to see this one will be preserved and went to the right place. Getting pretty hard to find a good unrestored mostly original 110+ year old model T. Close up pictures would be great for someone wanting to do a restoration and having another one to compare to is a big plus.

Congratulations Mark!

The upholstery was maintained well but fragile non the less. Aside from running the engine occasionally and upkeep, it will be nothing more than a nice conversation piece and reference car. Also not a bad investment considering the current economy. Several years ago, this car would have commanded a higher price no doubt.

So happy you got this car! We all know it's in good hands. Congratulations!!!!

Absolutely fantastic!

The shock absorbers appear to be H&D type. I had a good set of true H&D shock absorbers a long time ago. But I sold them when I needed some money for one of my restorations. Always regretted selling them, but I took them to a swap meet and put a high price on them and someone wanted them more than I did.
Because of those that I had, some years back after the internet made it easier, I did a bit of research on those shock absorbers. Unfortunately, a computer meltdown a few years ago lost it so all I have is what I remember. I have tried to google the information a few times with no good information being offered.
H and D were the last name initials of the designers of these, and they held the patents for the design. I am not sure of the reasons, but rather than manage all the manufacturing themselves (I would guess they didn't have the means to do so?), they licensed manufacturing to a considerable number of other manufacturing companies.
They licensed manufacturing to companies in other countries as well. I understand that they were quite popular in Australia back in the day.
They did manufacture some with their names and advertise and sell them.

Nice sets of those are hard to find. And so many companies manufactured varying versions that trying to match up a set could be difficult. I have known a few people that had sets on their model T, and they have told me they like how they ride and handle.
I agree, they should stay on the car. They are a part of the car's history, and don't really detract from its value as a reference vehicle. But that is just my opinion.

Congratulations on a great original T!