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17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:50 am
by signsup
My resent thread on the firewall transition for my WWI ambulance has got me thinking about 50 steps backward in this project, but might be the "right" thing to do. Rather than use the existing 27 depot hack sheet metal and build the wood ambulance body to complete, I have access to a 20 roadster project that will probably never get complete and the sheet metal body is toast. So, before I get my brain wrapped around all that is involved in this, is it just labor for me to use the 20 fenders, running boards, headlights and irons, fender irons, radiator shell and hood and firewall and cowl and just bolt it right up to my 27 chassis?
My 27 engine and electrical is running decent, so I'll leave the coil box under the hood and try to make everything else I can using the 20 sheet metal. It will still have the 27 demountables 21" tires and wheels. And, before you ask, I cannot use the 20 frame and running gear as that is a family issue. But I can "borrow" all the sheet metal off it until that project moves the front burner.
So, doable? Or am I trying to get a square peg into a round hole?
Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:00 pm
by DanTreace
Big work is cutting away the 26-27 front frame fender ears and then drilling holes to adapt the early fender/headlamp brackets. Rear fenders will need special adaption to hang off your body.
Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:01 pm
by tdump
Splash aprons will require the rear mounting hole to be moved forward a few inches as well.
Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:35 pm
by TRDxB2
The issue with mounting is hole alignment to existing holes. Since you have matching splash aprons, fender supports to front fenders that should not cause issues. Also the Headlight arms work with the supports.
I don't think you need rear fenders for a WW1 Ambulance
Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:51 pm
by signsup
Hmmm...food for thought. Part of my design "dilema" is the Ford Model T 1915 ambulance DID use rear fenders and I have a set. And, yes, I do have the 17/23 splsh aprons as well. So, if I used metal fenders to lean towards the 1915 version, they would bolt to the correct running boards and the splash shields and I could bolt them direct to the wooden ambulance body and not deal with fender irons on the rear.
I do not have correct headlights or mounting uprights.
Hmm....
Anyways, a good day on the table saw.
Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:58 pm
by TRDxB2
signsup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:51 pm
Hmmm...food for thought. Part of my design "dilema" is the Ford Model T 1915 ambulance DID use rear fenders and I have a set. And, yes, I do have the 17/23 splsh aprons as well. So, if I used metal fenders to lean towards the 1915 version, they would bolt to the correct running boards and the splash shields and I could bolt them direct to the wooden ambulance body and not deal with fender irons on the rear.
I do not have correct headlights or mounting uprights.
Hmm....
Anyways, a good day on the table saw.
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1916 and earlier Model T's have the characteristic brass radiator. Since you have a later style, perhaps you should lean towards a late 1916/17 Ambulance look. That would make some of the T part year inconsistencies blend together better and be less noticeable/arguable

Re: 17/23 sheet metal on 27 frame?
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:14 pm
by signsup
Good point. My last War Wagon WWI Model T light patrol vehicle was all OD Green, but I wasn't going to paint over that brass radiator. So, good point. I'll sleep on it, but it might be 27 sheet metal and no fenders, the wooden deck plank look, which I hate, but it would be more correct than metal fenders in the rear.
I am going to try to fit the 17/23 metal top cowl on my firewall to solve that situation.
Thanks for all the input, guys.