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Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:07 pm
by vping
Been offered a "complete engine trans". Assuming it's complete from front of block to back of trans, what's the value? I don't need it and if it's cheap enough, I'll pick it up for a spare "in case of"...
If it's locked up or, missing stuff, I'll deduct from there.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:43 pm
by Humblej
No freeze cracks, complete, together in one piece, and crank turns over, $85 if you dont need it, and $800 if you do.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:23 pm
by George House
And if its 1909 - $3500…1923-25 =$550
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:44 pm
by ModelT46
The are too many factors to consider to set a price. Are real nice, running T engine from the 1920s could be worth $1000, more or less. a common used one in unknown condition, perhap $400. A rear nice 1909 engine, all complete with original parts is worth a real bundle, at least $15,000. 10 years ago, a complete1910 engine sold for $ 12,000. Good, nice complete T engines are not as common as they were 40 years ago.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:32 pm
by Norman Kling
Depends on who you get it from. If they are a good mechanic and have overhauled it or rebuilt it, could cost a lot more and according to what year it is makes a difference too. If no good, it could still be used for a boat anchor, or buoy anchor.
Norm
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:51 pm
by vping
Cool thanks. I'm trying to get a description, serial number, history before I drag it home. More curiosity than need. Is like to get it to disassemble and see how it's all put together. I've taken apart and rebuilt dozens of A series, B series and XPAG motors and learned quite a lot. The model T motor will be a new experience.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:11 pm
by speedytinc
Read the service manual before tearing it down.
You can do extensive & unnecessary damage disassembling a transmission.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:22 pm
by Charlie B in N.J.
Yeah if you get it tearing it apart wouldn’t be first thing on my list. Compression test would be #1 absolutely. You gather so much knowledge from a wet/dry test it can save you a lot of $ and time. If that was cool I’d probably have a look at the bands/lining. Beyond that if there was any chance of running it I’d do that. As to price sorry can’t help you.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:12 pm
by Hap_Tucker
What John said, "Read the service manual before tearing it down." There may be other "gotchas" but if it has an electric starter and you try to remove it before you remove the starter bendix -- you will damage (read will need to rebuild or purchase a rebuilt or used) coil ring. If it doesn't have a coil ring -- maybe the case if set up for a distributor -- it probably doesn't matter.
Don't have the Ford Model T Service Manual (T-1)? It is available from the vendors as well as online at:
https://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/servicem ... efault.htm And some of the local clubs also have the MTFCA pamphlets and Videos some about the engine. Available from the vendors if a club doesn't have library.
Good luck,
Respectfully submitted,
Hap l9l5 cut off
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:35 pm
by vping
Hap_Tucker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:12 pm
What John said, "Read the service manual before tearing it down." There may be other "gotchas" but if it has an electric starter and you try to remove it before you remove the starter bendix -- you will damage (read will need to rebuild or purchase a rebuilt or used) coil ring. If it doesn't have a coil ring -- maybe the case if set up for a distributor -- it probably doesn't matter.
Don't have the Ford Model T Service Manual (T-1)? It is available from the vendors as well as online at:
https://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/servicem ... efault.htm And some of the local clubs also have the MTFCA pamphlets and Videos some about the engine. Available from the vendors if a club doesn't have library.
Good luck,
Respectfully submitted,
Hap l9l5 cut off
Interesting. So I did my homework when I was working with my starter and knew the precautions. I'd do the same with the engine/trans before disassembly. I also have the service manual.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:06 pm
by Steve Jelf
Value also depends on history. If you know it has been rebuilt by a pro (Joe Bell, Mike Bender, Erik Barret, etc.) that's one thing. If the history is unknown, that's quite another. The latter case is much more of a gamble.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:30 pm
by vping
What's the approximate weight of engine/trans combo?
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:33 pm
by TWrenn
vping wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:30 pm
What's the approximate weight of engine/trans combo?
Somewhere around 600 lbs. Give or take
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:20 pm
by vping
Jeez. Thats a lot more than I thought. I need to email the seller.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:58 am
by vping
So here are some pics. I was not provided the serial number so still not sure of the year.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:14 am
by J and M Machine
It's a 1926-27 engine; From the hazy pictures I can see the cylinders are rusty/rusted.
Most likely a 75-100 dollar special as it will be cracked , brake drum maybe good but reverse and low could be bad along with drive plate.
When they're rusty like this means that the cam could also be pitted and crank could be bad.
Block cracked etc.
What you're left with is a 4 dip pan and hogs head and maybe some small parts.
You'd spend some money to get it back into running condition.
In other words total rebuild.
www.jandm-machine.com
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:19 am
by Charlie B in N.J.
OOh. Did I miss something or did you leave out a minor detail? Like it's in pieces? To me that lowers the value quite a bit.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:51 am
by TXGOAT2
Looks like $100-200 if you don't mind going to pick it up.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:09 pm
by TRDxB2
The value may be in the parts - 1926-27 starter Hogs Head and the pan if usable.
Engine/transmission rebuild ? Do you have a boat? Just in case....
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:23 pm
by Humblej
Now that there are pictures, I take back my initial guess and lower it to $45.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:16 pm
by vping
Yeah, not really interested at $300. I was really just curious about getting it and it's close enough to pick up potentially saving it from the scrapper.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:22 am
by Susanne
It's a 26-27 motor. They used to be dime a dozen in the 1960's... Now they're scarce-ish, but have issues that earler T motors don't. With the damage on that one we can see (and not knowing if it has the 1927 freeze plug crack) I'd say probably a buck to a buck fifty... No clue about the trans, and well...
Yeah, I'd want to look it over, offer a hunnerd fiddy, and realize I'll have a project.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:45 pm
by Jerry VanOoteghem
vping wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:16 pm
Yeah, not really interested at $300. I was really just curious about getting it and it's close enough to pick up potentially saving it from the scrapper.
No scrapper is going to give him $300. Make him an offer of $100 and see what happens. I'll bet that offer would still be more than scrap value.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:29 pm
by vping
That's a good point. I figured that might work and I might be able to recoup the 100. I honestly have like 10 engines and blocks for my other cars (MG/Healey) so I do not need anything else laying around and just hate to see anything go to waste.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:54 am
by Gen3AntiqueAuto
I've been buying whole engine/transmission cores at $500 each for years. I figured that was a fair price for something that needs to be rebuilt.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:22 pm
by vping
I offered $75 and he came back with $100 offer. I might do it.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:22 pm
by Jerry VanOoteghem
vping wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:22 pm
I offered $75 and he came back with $100 offer. I might do it.
Sounds like fun. Let us know what happens and what you find, if you get it.
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:49 pm
by TXGOAT2
I'd go for that!
Re: Value of engine/trans
Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 3:23 am
by Susanne
I think I would too, hard to go wrong, and if nothing else, a good block to practice on if it is boogered. And you never know, it could be alright.