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Different strokes...
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 2:42 pm
by Steve Jelf
I already posted this on a couple of FB pages, where it's most needed, but just in case somebody here didn't get the memo:
When you ask a question about your Model T, why should you include the year and body style?
Because THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME. 
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 3:45 pm
by TRDxB2
Steve Jelf wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:42 pm
I already posted this on a couple of FB pages, where it's most needed, but just in case somebody here didn't get the memo:
When you ask a question about your Model T, why should you include the year and body style?
Because THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME.
and "WE ARE NOT MIND READERS"
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 1:45 am
by Wayne Sheldon
One should truly love Henry's model T! It is the ultimate icon of man's steps into the modern age. Seriously, one of the early and biggest steps into mass production which made possible supplying hundreds of millions of people with a quality of lifestyle never before available to more that a small fraction of the top one percent of people!
While Henry did in fact build upon the steps of others (as with all major developments in human history!). Consider Colt firearms, Singer Sewing Machines, and even the Curved Dash Oldsmobile just a few years earlier. However, Henry perfected the methods and systems, and put them to work on a scale hundreds of times larger than ever before! Within a decade, every major manufacturing company in the world was following in Henry's footsteps!
Tell all that to FB and the rest of the world!
Yes, Henry built over fifteen million model T Fords!
And sometimes, I would almost swear? NO TWO are EXACTLY ALIKE!
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 1:43 pm
by John Codman
Some times they are not the same even if the year is. I remember a while back (likely over 10 years ago) we were discussing gas tank R&R with the "improved cars". I commented that it was not possible to remove the tank from my '27 touring car without pulling the steering column. Most agreed with me, but there were a couple of comments by people who swore that in their '27s (which were not touring cars) you could, and they had. My take away from this is that there can be small dimensional differences between different body styles.
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 3:01 pm
by Rich P. Bingham
The Model T was the ultimate DIY project from the start. I don’t understand owners who get one and don’t immediately avail themselves of the “bible”, numerous other manuals offered by the MTFCA, and Steve’s excellent “Dauntless Geezer” website. Most newbie questions would be immediately solved by these resources.
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 7:45 pm
by Norman Kling
Some cars of the same year are different from one manufacturing plant to another or depending on the month they were built. Also in some states they are dated according to when first sold so they could be the same from the last part of one year to the first part of another. Also Ford used up the parts on hand before making a change and sometimes that occurred during the middle of the year. There is quite a bit of difference between the 22 and 23 cars. Date when they went from the straight windshield to the slant windshield cars or low radiator to high radiator cars. I don't know as much about the brass cars but understand there were changes made during those years as well.
Norm
Re: Diferent strokes...
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 11:16 pm
by Steve Jelf
Norm is correct, of course. Changes from the 1922 to 1923 models came with the new model year in the summer of 1922. But the switch from wood to steel firewalls didn't start until January, 1923. In fact both kinds were used concurrently until the wood ones were used up sometime in March. After that, if you wanted a new firewall for your 1923 Ford it would have to be the steel one. If you insisted on wood you would have to make it yourself, or hire it made.
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 9:02 pm
by WatchDog
What are the other rules for posting on Facebook?
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 10:47 pm
by DHort
Steve is not really talking about FB itself. It is what is posted on FB and how others respond.
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 1:03 pm
by Steve Jelf
The general FB rule is to play nice. It is applied whimsically, capriciously,and randomly by their AI software. That has been my experience. I have had perfectly innocent posts removed for "violating community standards", according to their automated system.
Identifying your vehicle is not a Facebook rule. It is my suggestion, intended to assure that everybody has some idea of the question's context. It applies anywhere somebody is asking a Model T question, on FB, here, or any other Model T forum. Too many people assume that all Model T's are like theirs, while in fact the details vary, sometimes greatly, by year and/or body style. Good advice depends on people knowing what the subject of the conversation is.
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 6:59 pm
by WatchDog
I’m sure you were well intentioned (and I actually agree with you) but your tone and all-caps wording came across as condescending to me.
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 7:06 pm
by John kuehn
When we learn something brand new we sometimes think it’s making us look bad when in reality it’s like going to school and having teachers that really do know more than we do. That’s how we ALL learn.
Re: Different strokes...
Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 9:46 pm
by Steve Jelf
...your tone and all-caps wording came across as condescending to me.
Aye, there's the rub. Written language can be read in different ways, some of them unintended. My post was written in exasperation, not condescension. 