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https://youtu.be/UvSTbnFrnd0?si=oKLxsspoiPXiySqy

Notice the very light duty wire wheels in the photo. I have had these before (non demountable) and thought they were for a cycle car. They are straight edge rims without a rolled edge.

Great movie!

Supposedly 1925, why do engines look to be nonstarter blocks?
Film from earlier machine shop?
Or is it a Canadian thing?
My 25 RHD Roadster Pickup has generator.

Seems right, perhaps some non starter blocks, but other scenes show starter blocks assembled.

Looks like the entire 1925 movie is available on something called
All movie. Com
Didn’t watch it don’t have time, but looks interesting.

The wire wheels are export Hayes wheels, normal Hayes are 48 spoke Ford used cheaper 36 spoke wheels. When wire wheels were offed on the 26/27 cars to satisfy overseas customers ( and probably due to shortage in supply we purchased cheap Hayes wheels
Canadian Fords were assembled with the starter/ generator blocked off, if you wanted to pay the extra the generator and starter was put on at point of sale. No point shipping full electric versions when some would only be bought if they were the cheapest version Some of the motors would be going into TT trucks and a lot of customers purchased the truck/car/chassis without the full electrics.

As seen in the photo were these 36 spoke Hayes wheels were Non Demountable unlike normal 30 x 3-1/2” and 21” Hayes wire wheels?

The narrator proclaims that the "MADE IN CANADA" on the blocks started in late 1919, it is a fact that those blocks started to appear in very early 1918.

Tparts wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:46 pm

As seen in the photo were these 36 spoke Hayes wheels were Non Demountable unlike normal 30 x 3-1/2” and 21” Hayes wire wheels?

In 55 years of being around Model T's in Australia, I have never seen a non demountable Hayes wire wheel. I challenge anyone here to post a photo of an original or restored Canadian T with those wheels that are pictured on the production line. Were they actually real? I do like the look and concept and would love to own a set.

Don may be right but to my old eyes they look to be de-mountable.

I can top that Warwick. In 63 tears of playing with T's, I have never seen a 36 spoke Hayes wire wheel, though they do exist. Making them non demountable makes no sense. That would mean you would have to carry two complete spare wheels, one front and one back, because the hubs are different.

Allan from down under.

I have several 36 spoke Hayes wheels on a shelf in the garage. From memory The Ex John Ahern Mercury speedster that Mike Bender now owns has them .
When I was at the 2008 Centennial in Indiana Mike offered Bill Smith from Speedway Motors a ride around the race track one day and Bill refused as he said the Hayes wheels were to dangerous especially on a speedster.

For the record in case someone in the future looks up Hayes wheels, here are some photo's of the 21" and 23" wheels, they are obviously demountable and I have three versions.
The front outer edge of the felloe can be folded outwards, straight, or folded inwards.
were there any non demountable Hayes wheels? unlikely they were Hayes, as their entry into the market was way after demountable rims and wire wheels were for Model T Fords but such a design could have been available especially if it was early in the teens and may have been for other brands of cars.
"Not practical as front and back wheels have different centers", yes!! but Model T wheels were different front and back (in the USA) and there was no spare, you had two sized tires and you changed the tire with the wheel on the car. A set of wire wheels with the same idea, (front and back different and no spare) probably would not discourage buyers, they now had wire wheels with the same need when changing the tire)
The wheels Don Lang has seen may have been such a design, that would be a lot easier/cheaper to make as you did not need to also have replacement hubs so your wheel design could be the same for all wheels and a spare also. Not replacing the wheel hubs to make them the same as Hayes did, meant the wheels were cheaper. Keep a look out there may be such a design out there.