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Anyone use Herm’s way of doing bands. I have wanted to and with my busted drums thinking I will.

Haven't tried that method, maybe others who have can attest to how well the band grips.

With Kevlar likely pretty fair, with softer linings and with wood linings, there is considerable grip at the bottom of the band on the drums.
Have removed worn bands with linings that usually show lots of wear right at the bottom of the band, so one would think that a gap of lining there wouldn't be helpful
There were some period designs that used segmented linings, this wood version, but perhaps that is so pieces and not a full round wood lining had to be fabricated. And a soft lining in two sections for replacement ease, that has gaps too. Have seen hinged bands, with gap at bottom.

Might be ok to segment, but in seeing considerable wear at the bottom of full linings on bands, rather choice to me is stay with full circle lining on bands.

Here is Herm’s original post about how he does bands.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/269410.html

On a T for a new to model T’s owner I used the 4 piece method for his bands. It was something I saw or read in post on the forum & I believe Dykes but could be wrong on that. I was forced into those methods when my friend who was basically on a shoestring budget and had a set of Still in the box Montgomery Wards bands. They were pristine but short. So after researching those above sources, they were installed. Three main goals in doing this, letting the novice owner get use to driving in an all new way, minimizing any damage to the drums while learning & lastly using what he had until he could buy some Kevlar bands down the road. A year or two went by, we adjusted the bands a few times & I observe on occasions he actually was a quick study and deft at operating the transmission. One day he told me he found a deal on some Kevlar bands and bought them. All that information is shared because to my surprise inspecting the Monkey bands showed very little wear & upon removing the low band & brake band we made a decision to put them back in. It seems necessity resulted in a new positive learning & a successful application. Just two cents worth of experience.

Herm says he learned it from a Dykes manual. Said he was doing it for 48 years.
I am going to try it. Dan

I have been splitting bands for years. Stole the idea from Herms transmission post. Originally to get short scandia usable with an appropriate amount of overhang under the ears.
I do this primarily for less experienced T drivers until I feel they can properly handle the less forgiving kevlar.
I have seen charred kevlar, so I do this now for the constant oil entering the bottom of the band. I do not cut a chunk off the kevlar band, I leave about a 1/4" gap @ the bottom & leave a bit more ear overhang.

"Fortunately" I have no feedback with either as the bands have lasted so much longer(?) I have not had to do replacements yet even for the inexperienced guys. That's all anecdotal, as I dont know how many miles are being driven. I have observed that if they dont break a drum from over adjusting Kevlar, the lining is good for decades.

I have not noticed significant band wear @ the bottom/center of unmodified bands. The worst wear has always been @ the ear ends to the point of needing relining, the middle is still serviceable.

The last set of bands I did were for a friend & I hate to try new to me things on others cars. I considered doing it on my low dollar spare engine
but I put Scandinavian lining in it & have not seen were others have used this method with Scandinavian lining. I assume it is the same? Can
anyone confirm that.
Craig.

Craig Leach wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:36 pm

The last set of bands I did were for a friend & I hate to try new to me things on others cars. I considered doing it on my low dollar spare engine
but I put Scandinavian lining in it & have not seen were others have used this method with Scandinavian lining. I assume it is the same? Can
anyone confirm that.
Craig.

Yes, same procedure.
With short Scandia the can ba a 1/2:" gap.
Be sure to glue the cut ends.